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		<title>By: Candide</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2009/08/18/video-from-russia-with-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-195515</link>
		<dc:creator>Candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 23:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fred,

Obviously you didn&#039;t understand my whole point but thanks for a good question.

No, the justice system doesn&#039;t let go completely, either in the US or Russia.  Those who persist in their racist ways eventually do get the full punishment. First time racist offenders often get off easy.  In Russia those offenders who get a break are white skin, in the US they are black.  I was careful to point out that 50 years ago in the US it was white racist criminals getting the break.  So the major issue here is not even race but subversion of justice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fred,</p>
<p>Obviously you didn&#8217;t understand my whole point but thanks for a good question.</p>
<p>No, the justice system doesn&#8217;t let go completely, either in the US or Russia.  Those who persist in their racist ways eventually do get the full punishment. First time racist offenders often get off easy.  In Russia those offenders who get a break are white skin, in the US they are black.  I was careful to point out that 50 years ago in the US it was white racist criminals getting the break.  So the major issue here is not even race but subversion of justice.</p>
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		<title>By: fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wauw, seriously Candide! i mean seriously? &quot;how the black hoodlums get away unpunished with racisme&quot; seriously!? off all the things that could be said about race issues and the justice system in the US, you choose black against white racism, and how the US justice system just all ways let those black hoodlums get away with everything. I mean seriously. 

I&#039;m a very long time lurker on this blog, I still enjoy the post, but the comment section have degenerated into I really don&#039;t know what. It even makes me miss Averko.  It&#039;s a shame really because a good comment section really adds to a blog. Here it seriously  subtracts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wauw, seriously Candide! i mean seriously? &#8220;how the black hoodlums get away unpunished with racisme&#8221; seriously!? off all the things that could be said about race issues and the justice system in the US, you choose black against white racism, and how the US justice system just all ways let those black hoodlums get away with everything. I mean seriously. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a very long time lurker on this blog, I still enjoy the post, but the comment section have degenerated into I really don&#8217;t know what. It even makes me miss Averko.  It&#8217;s a shame really because a good comment section really adds to a blog. Here it seriously  subtracts.</p>
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		<title>By: Candide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 19:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talking about missing points, my point was about racial politics and subversion of judicial process.

I think it was quite telling that everybody had something to say about racial hatred among Russian hoodlums but as soon as I brought up the subject of racial hatred among black US hoodlums there was complete silence, except FreddieBak who flatly stated there is absolutely nothing in common.  Well, I think there are many things in common, and if we explore why black hoodlums in the US are getting a &quot;break&quot; when commiting racial crimes, we may understand much better why Russian hoodlums are getting similar &quot;breaks&quot;.

Just to be clear, I hold that troglodite Victorian view of Justice as blind and impartial: if ther is a Law and the Law is broken than the proper punishment must be administered.  I think Russian white racists and US black racists must be sentenced to the full extend of the pertinent Laws.  However, the modern world doesn&#039;t follow that concept.  In the US, the considerations of social justice and memory of the past wrongs agaist black people usually interfere  to the effect that racial hatred is often excused and/or disregarded when blacks commit crimes against whites, no matter how strong the evidence might be.  If we find such subversion of justice understandable in the US, why not in Russia?

Except for the skin color, same arguments in defence of the low-brow hoodlums apply to the Russian ones, all the way back to the slavery.  Slavery was abolished at about the same time in Russia and the US, and I&#039;d guess that majority of those Russian hoodlums come from slave families that were exploited, downtrodden, disregarded, mislead and abused for generations by Tsarist, Soviet and Oligarkh regimes in Russia.

Present day US justice comes down harshly on white racists but makes extra considerations for black racists (that is in reverse to the situation in 1950-s and considered a sign of social progress).  Russian justice makes extra considerations for white racists.  This is viewed as scary throwback to the 1950-s and denounced by the Western &quot;progressive&quot; types.  Inthe process, specific Russian circumstaces are disregarded, such as that Russia was never a party to black slave trade, never had black slave plantations and thus doesn&#039;t have a black &quot;underclass&quot;.  However, Russia has proportionately much larger white &quot;underclass&quot;, that went through many similar trials and tribulations.  If the modern principle of Social Justice dictates that laws can be interpreted differently for certain &quot;underclass&quot; citizens, why can&#039;t Russian state apply that principle to its own &quot;underclass&quot; citizens?  Because they look like &quot;white majority&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about missing points, my point was about racial politics and subversion of judicial process.</p>
<p>I think it was quite telling that everybody had something to say about racial hatred among Russian hoodlums but as soon as I brought up the subject of racial hatred among black US hoodlums there was complete silence, except FreddieBak who flatly stated there is absolutely nothing in common.  Well, I think there are many things in common, and if we explore why black hoodlums in the US are getting a &#8220;break&#8221; when commiting racial crimes, we may understand much better why Russian hoodlums are getting similar &#8220;breaks&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just to be clear, I hold that troglodite Victorian view of Justice as blind and impartial: if ther is a Law and the Law is broken than the proper punishment must be administered.  I think Russian white racists and US black racists must be sentenced to the full extend of the pertinent Laws.  However, the modern world doesn&#8217;t follow that concept.  In the US, the considerations of social justice and memory of the past wrongs agaist black people usually interfere  to the effect that racial hatred is often excused and/or disregarded when blacks commit crimes against whites, no matter how strong the evidence might be.  If we find such subversion of justice understandable in the US, why not in Russia?</p>
<p>Except for the skin color, same arguments in defence of the low-brow hoodlums apply to the Russian ones, all the way back to the slavery.  Slavery was abolished at about the same time in Russia and the US, and I&#8217;d guess that majority of those Russian hoodlums come from slave families that were exploited, downtrodden, disregarded, mislead and abused for generations by Tsarist, Soviet and Oligarkh regimes in Russia.</p>
<p>Present day US justice comes down harshly on white racists but makes extra considerations for black racists (that is in reverse to the situation in 1950-s and considered a sign of social progress).  Russian justice makes extra considerations for white racists.  This is viewed as scary throwback to the 1950-s and denounced by the Western &#8220;progressive&#8221; types.  Inthe process, specific Russian circumstaces are disregarded, such as that Russia was never a party to black slave trade, never had black slave plantations and thus doesn&#8217;t have a black &#8220;underclass&#8221;.  However, Russia has proportionately much larger white &#8220;underclass&#8221;, that went through many similar trials and tribulations.  If the modern principle of Social Justice dictates that laws can be interpreted differently for certain &#8220;underclass&#8221; citizens, why can&#8217;t Russian state apply that principle to its own &#8220;underclass&#8221; citizens?  Because they look like &#8220;white majority&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Von Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Von Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Sep 2009 11:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There is nothing to believe in, Sean.&quot;

Totally missing Sean&#039;s point, which was that you&#039;re a lunatic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is nothing to believe in, Sean.&#8221;</p>
<p>Totally missing Sean&#8217;s point, which was that you&#8217;re a lunatic.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 23:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The same courtesy, meaning, making conclusions about you after reading your posts for two minutes? Not my idea of a fair assessment, but then again, I am not in academia like you are; which coincidently explains your preoccupation with somebody else&#039;s style - never yours, no matter how crude it gets at times. But then again, left never had much sophistication. 

But, Sean, in all fairness, I am here very seldom and mostly for comments from others - that are sadly getting thin - and to get some pleasure from raffling your feathers once in a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The same courtesy, meaning, making conclusions about you after reading your posts for two minutes? Not my idea of a fair assessment, but then again, I am not in academia like you are; which coincidently explains your preoccupation with somebody else&#8217;s style &#8211; never yours, no matter how crude it gets at times. But then again, left never had much sophistication. </p>
<p>But, Sean, in all fairness, I am here very seldom and mostly for comments from others &#8211; that are sadly getting thin &#8211; and to get some pleasure from raffling your feathers once in a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;No wonder that I have not noticed any progress over the last 5 years or so.&lt;/i&gt;

Yet you&#039;re still here. Reading, commenting, and hanging around. I wonder why.  The one time I listed to your radio show I turned it off after 2 minutes and never listened again. And it wasn&#039;t even about the content.  It was your over the top self righteous presentation like some mini-Limbaugh grating in my ears. If I&#039;m so black and white then why don&#039;t you extend me the same courtesy.  Now hop along little bunny. Hop along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>No wonder that I have not noticed any progress over the last 5 years or so.</i></p>
<p>Yet you&#8217;re still here. Reading, commenting, and hanging around. I wonder why.  The one time I listed to your radio show I turned it off after 2 minutes and never listened again. And it wasn&#8217;t even about the content.  It was your over the top self righteous presentation like some mini-Limbaugh grating in my ears. If I&#8217;m so black and white then why don&#8217;t you extend me the same courtesy.  Now hop along little bunny. Hop along.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cyrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;still believe that feudalism exists &lt;/i&gt;

Are you really that black and white? No wonder that I have not noticed any progress over the last 5 years or so. There is nothing to believe in, Sean. Unlike what you were taught by ideologues that formed you - &quot;isms&quot; are just mental constructs for classification purposes. There is no need to believe in inches or meters.

And speaking of obstinacy - aren&#039;t you the one still clasping to the black and white class struggle model with no regard that most of the classes in that model don&#039;t even exist anymore? It&#039;s not even 1960-s anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>still believe that feudalism exists </i></p>
<p>Are you really that black and white? No wonder that I have not noticed any progress over the last 5 years or so. There is nothing to believe in, Sean. Unlike what you were taught by ideologues that formed you &#8211; &#8220;isms&#8221; are just mental constructs for classification purposes. There is no need to believe in inches or meters.</p>
<p>And speaking of obstinacy &#8211; aren&#8217;t you the one still clasping to the black and white class struggle model with no regard that most of the classes in that model don&#8217;t even exist anymore? It&#8217;s not even 1960-s anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 21:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyrill, I&#039;ve discovered long ago that talking seriously to you about politics is a fruitless and frustrating effort.  You still believe that feudalism exists for christsakes. How the hell can you discuss things with someone with that kind of historical obstinacy?

Doug Henwood, one of the few leftists I still respect, partially sums up my position vis-a-vis Oball-less. http://doughenwood.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/delusions-on-the-left/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyrill, I&#8217;ve discovered long ago that talking seriously to you about politics is a fruitless and frustrating effort.  You still believe that feudalism exists for christsakes. How the hell can you discuss things with someone with that kind of historical obstinacy?</p>
<p>Doug Henwood, one of the few leftists I still respect, partially sums up my position vis-a-vis Oball-less. <a href="http://doughenwood.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/delusions-on-the-left/" rel="nofollow">http://doughenwood.wordpress.com/2009/09/06/delusions-on-the-left/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Cyrill</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2009/08/18/video-from-russia-with-hate/comment-page-2/#comment-195499</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 19:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;One day you’ll realize the farcical conservative v. liberal “war” is really just a form of managed democracy.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh Boy, Sean, you are diving off the deep conspiratorial end, aren&#039;t you? Even semantically, in a managed democracy some entity has to manage it. So who is managing the farcical war? Skulls and Bones? Corporate ruling class? It is just as united and monolithic as modern day proletariat. Still reading the Iron Heel?

That Jones guy was a 9/11 truther. Obama is not ball-less - he is arrogantly mindless thinking (or rather not thinking) this would work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One day you’ll realize the farcical conservative v. liberal “war” is really just a form of managed democracy.</i></p>
<p>Oh Boy, Sean, you are diving off the deep conspiratorial end, aren&#8217;t you? Even semantically, in a managed democracy some entity has to manage it. So who is managing the farcical war? Skulls and Bones? Corporate ruling class? It is just as united and monolithic as modern day proletariat. Still reading the Iron Heel?</p>
<p>That Jones guy was a 9/11 truther. Obama is not ball-less &#8211; he is arrogantly mindless thinking (or rather not thinking) this would work.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Sep 2009 18:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like one more primetime show masking as politics for the Who Gives a Shit Channel.

I hadn&#039;t even heard of Van Jones until I turned on the internet this morning.  That&#039;s how much I care to pay attention. Another falls from Barack Oball-less&#039; administration.  Oh well. Oball-less should have known Jones&#039; past would serve as chum for the loudmouth Republican media sharks.

Race hustler.  Oh boy. Keep drinking the kool-aid, Candide. One day you&#039;ll realize the farcical conservative v. liberal &quot;war&quot; is really just a form of managed democracy.  Oball-less&#039; true colors are as just another shill for the corporate ruling class.

Bush may have been an ass, but the guy had balls. I can respect that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like one more primetime show masking as politics for the Who Gives a Shit Channel.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t even heard of Van Jones until I turned on the internet this morning.  That&#8217;s how much I care to pay attention. Another falls from Barack Oball-less&#8217; administration.  Oh well. Oball-less should have known Jones&#8217; past would serve as chum for the loudmouth Republican media sharks.</p>
<p>Race hustler.  Oh boy. Keep drinking the kool-aid, Candide. One day you&#8217;ll realize the farcical conservative v. liberal &#8220;war&#8221; is really just a form of managed democracy.  Oball-less&#8217; true colors are as just another shill for the corporate ruling class.</p>
<p>Bush may have been an ass, but the guy had balls. I can respect that.</p>
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