Comments on: Russia’s Far East says: “No New Taxes!” http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:14:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Tim Newman http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-153734 Tim Newman Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:58:44 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-153734 Incidentally, it is far safer to buy a Japanese car you've never seen, safe in the knowledge that it's been driven and maintained by a Japanese and driven on Japanese roads for 6 years, than to buy anything which has been driven by a Russian on Russian roads for more than a week. Once a Russian has driven the thing in Russia, it halves in value. Expat-owned cars tend to hold their value better. Incidentally, it is far safer to buy a Japanese car you’ve never seen, safe in the knowledge that it’s been driven and maintained by a Japanese and driven on Japanese roads for 6 years, than to buy anything which has been driven by a Russian on Russian roads for more than a week.

Once a Russian has driven the thing in Russia, it halves in value. Expat-owned cars tend to hold their value better.

]]> By: Tim Newman http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-153733 Tim Newman Wed, 24 Dec 2008 06:56:35 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-153733 <em>I used to hear that many of the Japanese cars in Far East Russia were … not imported legally … from Japan. In other words, stolen cars from Japan were shipped to Russia and resold.</em> I'm pretty sure that's not the case now. Nowadays, the Japanese hold government-run auctions of older cars, which by law (I am told) must be removed from the streets once they are over 8 years or something. Russians go to the auctions, pay the price, pay the 100% existing customs tax to import, and sell the car locally (more often, a buyer is found before the auction). I bought a 2002 Toyota Surf (basically a Hilux with a cab) for $25,000 all in including registration. I think the auction price was about $12,000. It's not as if the tax on imported Japanese cars is low as it is. I used to hear that many of the Japanese cars in Far East Russia were … not imported legally … from Japan. In other words, stolen cars from Japan were shipped to Russia and resold.

I’m pretty sure that’s not the case now. Nowadays, the Japanese hold government-run auctions of older cars, which by law (I am told) must be removed from the streets once they are over 8 years or something. Russians go to the auctions, pay the price, pay the 100% existing customs tax to import, and sell the car locally (more often, a buyer is found before the auction).

I bought a 2002 Toyota Surf (basically a Hilux with a cab) for $25,000 all in including registration. I think the auction price was about $12,000. It’s not as if the tax on imported Japanese cars is low as it is.

]]> By: Russian President (a.k.a. "False Dmitry") http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-151335 Russian President (a.k.a. "False Dmitry") Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:37:24 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-151335 Here's a good, unbiased article about the problems of the Russian Avtoprom and the related protests: http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/12/19/788292.shtml Here’s a good, unbiased article about the problems of the Russian Avtoprom and the related protests:

http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/12/19/788292.shtml

]]> By: Khabar http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150500 Khabar Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:06:57 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150500 drom.ru has a new thread " Not only drom deletes threads", three pages by now :) http://forums.drom.ru/general/t1151122872.html Democracy is a clone/clown of itself. drom.ru has a new thread ” Not only drom deletes threads”, three pages by now :)

http://forums.drom.ru/general/t1151122872.html

Democracy is a clone/clown of itself.

]]> By: Khabar http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150444 Khabar Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:09:00 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150444 It will hardly change anything. It will hardly change anything.

]]> By: Oleg http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150435 Oleg Thu, 18 Dec 2008 11:19:22 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150435 From most important in Russia auto website drom.ru and several other forums was deleted topics of planning and organising new actions on 21 december. Democracy is only abstract idea. Ever and forever. From most important in Russia auto website drom.ru and several other forums was deleted topics of planning and organising new actions on 21 december. Democracy is only abstract idea. Ever and forever.

]]> By: Khabar online http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150336 Khabar online Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:30:08 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150336 >>>>>If anything, it is a clear recognition that despite the ‘economic nationlism’ that is preferred and practiced (backed by massive currency reserves), the powers that be recognize that they still need help from the outside, unlike those regional powers in the far east of Russia…. Aleks, what kind of help are you talking about? I suspect Russia is not hungry Africa and regional authorities have their part of freedom to carry out business with the "outside world". Are you just trying to hint on some local "color revolution" for the purpose to turn Vladivostok into Hong-Kong? :) >>>>>If anything, it is a clear recognition that despite the ‘economic nationlism’ that is preferred and practiced (backed by massive currency reserves), the powers that be recognize that they still need help from the outside, unlike those regional powers in the far east of Russia….

Aleks, what kind of help are you talking about? I suspect Russia is not hungry Africa and regional authorities have their part of freedom to carry out business with the “outside world”.
Are you just trying to hint on some local “color revolution” for the purpose to turn Vladivostok into Hong-Kong? :)

]]> By: Khabar online http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150326 Khabar online Thu, 18 Dec 2008 08:03:24 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150326 [i]I used to hear that many of the Japanese cars in Far East Russia were … not imported legally … from Japan. In other words, stolen cars from Japan were shipped to Russia and resold...[/i] Shedd, my staunch thinking is that every business whether in Russia or elsewhere is grey. I don't believe in such a combination of words like "white business". As for the cars from Japan, from Japanese dealers, bought in such great numbers, frequently at (internet) auctions, your statement is loosing any semblance of veracity, except that yakudza and Japanese government has merged. [i]I used to hear that many of the Japanese cars in Far East Russia were … not imported legally … from Japan. In other words, stolen cars from Japan were shipped to Russia and resold…[/i]
Shedd, my staunch thinking is that every business whether in Russia or elsewhere is grey. I don’t believe in such a combination of words like “white business”.
As for the cars from Japan, from Japanese dealers, bought in such great numbers, frequently at (internet) auctions, your statement is loosing any semblance of veracity, except that yakudza and Japanese government has merged.

]]> By: Russian President (a.k.a. "False Dmitry") http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150272 Russian President (a.k.a. "False Dmitry") Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:37:20 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150272 ...by stating “Doh, the US does the same thing” is both factually incorrect (i.e. WRONG) and logically impaired (i.e. STUPID.) --------------------------------------- Shedd, Your message is rude and impolite that I think I'm 100% right. The US government DOES try to save its "Avtoprom" by non-market means. Why? The American cars cannot compete with the imports. Plain and simple. And you can insult people who say reasonable things, but it reflects badly on you. …by stating “Doh, the US does the same thing” is both factually incorrect (i.e. WRONG) and logically impaired (i.e. STUPID.)
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Shedd,

Your message is rude and impolite that I think I’m 100% right. The US government DOES try to save its “Avtoprom” by non-market means. Why? The American cars cannot compete with the imports. Plain and simple.

And you can insult people who say reasonable things, but it reflects badly on you.

]]> By: Aleks http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/12/15/russias-far-east-says-no-new-taxes/comment-page-1/#comment-150254 Aleks Wed, 17 Dec 2008 22:48:22 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=912#comment-150254 Khabar, ?Que? Yes I know that. The SuperJet is aimed mostly at the domestic market (which is booming) to take the place of almost phased out Tu-154s and stop companies like S7 buying boeings or airbuses for internal flights and Aeroflot for european flights. It isn't rubbish either with over 55% foreign content (Honeywell, Thales etc.) and has notched up over 30 foreign sales (Italy, Indonesia and...). It just can't come online fast enough and this is really hurting domestic airlines. If anything, it is a clear recognition that despite the 'economic nationlism' that is preferred and practiced (backed by massive currency reserves), the powers that be recognize that they still need help from the outside, unlike those regional powers in the far east of Russia.... Khabar,

?Que? Yes I know that. The SuperJet is aimed mostly at the domestic market (which is booming) to take the place of almost phased out Tu-154s and stop companies like S7 buying boeings or airbuses for internal flights and Aeroflot for european flights. It isn’t rubbish either with over 55% foreign content (Honeywell, Thales etc.) and has notched up over 30 foreign sales (Italy, Indonesia and…). It just can’t come online fast enough and this is really hurting domestic airlines.

If anything, it is a clear recognition that despite the ‘economic nationlism’ that is preferred and practiced (backed by massive currency reserves), the powers that be recognize that they still need help from the outside, unlike those regional powers in the far east of Russia….

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