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	<title>Comments on: A Night with the Paul Klebnikov Fund</title>
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		<title>By: Candide</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/11/26/a-night-with-the-paul-klebnikov-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-141959</link>
		<dc:creator>Candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 18:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took hundreds of years to make Russia nominally Christian.  Paganism persisted for quite a while.  Christianity was obviously imposed from the top, all historical records attest to that.

Also, I don&#039;t know how well justified is the the categorical expression &quot;wipe out&quot;, considering that Christian veneer is covering ancient Pagan rites (and not only in Russia but in most old Christian countries).  &#039;Piggy-backing&#039; comes to mind, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took hundreds of years to make Russia nominally Christian.  Paganism persisted for quite a while.  Christianity was obviously imposed from the top, all historical records attest to that.</p>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t know how well justified is the the categorical expression &#8220;wipe out&#8221;, considering that Christian veneer is covering ancient Pagan rites (and not only in Russia but in most old Christian countries).  &#8216;Piggy-backing&#8217; comes to mind, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Von Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Von Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 16:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because there is little evidence that the Khazar Empire adopted Judaism en masse. Its, er, ruling classes did. (Unlike say Rus&#039; adoption of Orthodoxy in which the old religion was wiped out.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because there is little evidence that the Khazar Empire adopted Judaism en masse. Its, er, ruling classes did. (Unlike say Rus&#8217; adoption of Orthodoxy in which the old religion was wiped out.)</p>
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		<title>By: Candide</title>
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		<dc:creator>Candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the correction about Khazars being Turkic people.  I fail to see the point of elite role.  Of course elites had a big say.  One might as well put that Kievan Rus elite adopted Byzantine Christianity &quot;for likely geopolitical reasons&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the correction about Khazars being Turkic people.  I fail to see the point of elite role.  Of course elites had a big say.  One might as well put that Kievan Rus elite adopted Byzantine Christianity &#8220;for likely geopolitical reasons&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Von Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Von Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;(Khazars were Tartars practicing Judaism).&quot;

No they weren&#039;t. They were a Turkic empire that the elite of which adopted a variety Judaism for likely geopolitical reasons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;(Khazars were Tartars practicing Judaism).&#8221;</p>
<p>No they weren&#8217;t. They were a Turkic empire that the elite of which adopted a variety Judaism for likely geopolitical reasons.</p>
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		<title>By: candide</title>
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		<dc:creator>candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 01:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the kind word, tess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the kind word, tess.</p>
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		<title>By: tess</title>
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		<dc:creator>tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 00:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew you were kidding, Candide, when you brought up vouchers : )  Also, Obama hasn&#039;t taken office yet - so I got that joke too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew you were kidding, Candide, when you brought up vouchers : )  Also, Obama hasn&#8217;t taken office yet &#8211; so I got that joke too.</p>
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		<title>By: candide</title>
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		<dc:creator>candide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 22:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mentally retarded comment.&quot;

Look here, Shedd, I ain&#039;t gonna take that kind of lip from nobody!

First, my comment was intended as a joke and not to be taken seriously.  But since you are dense enough to take it seriously, here is your opportunity to learn something, so make the best of it now.

You say, &quot;Of course in Russia, a local Jewish person is simple a ‘Jew’.&quot;

It was repeated many times and not only by me that there is no word &#039;Jew&#039; in Russian language, the word there is &#039;Evrei&#039; (Hebrew).  So remember that.  Just like in America nobody says &#039;Hebrew&#039;, in Russia nobody says &#039;Jew&#039;.   Complete reversal, if you will.  Why is that important?  Because we are talking about people that grew up in and were defined by Russian cultural and linguistic milieu.  So American idiom becomes useless here and Russian idiom becomes paramount.  And in Russian language, distinctions are very clear: there are &quot;evrei&#039; (with strong emphasis on ethnicity) and there are &#039;iudei&#039; (with strong emphasis on religion) and they are not one and the same.  Part of the reason for that is that while Americans never knew non-Hebrew Jews, Russians knew plenty through their history.  Heck, there is a legend that Saint Vladimir was courted by Rabbis, Imams and Catholic priest when he was choosing religion for his subjects.  So there was a chance the whole Russia could go &#039;Iudei&#039;.  There was also powerful Khazar kaganat the young Russian state had many dealings with (Khazars were Tartars practicing Judaism).  Interestingly, the term &#039;iudei&#039; in Russian is not perjorative and may be even used respectfully.

If all that new knowledge, freely shared, doesn&#039;t make you want to offer me an apology, you take that apology and stick it up your &#039;tokhes&#039;, all I can say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mentally retarded comment.&#8221;</p>
<p>Look here, Shedd, I ain&#8217;t gonna take that kind of lip from nobody!</p>
<p>First, my comment was intended as a joke and not to be taken seriously.  But since you are dense enough to take it seriously, here is your opportunity to learn something, so make the best of it now.</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;Of course in Russia, a local Jewish person is simple a ‘Jew’.&#8221;</p>
<p>It was repeated many times and not only by me that there is no word &#8216;Jew&#8217; in Russian language, the word there is &#8216;Evrei&#8217; (Hebrew).  So remember that.  Just like in America nobody says &#8216;Hebrew&#8217;, in Russia nobody says &#8216;Jew&#8217;.   Complete reversal, if you will.  Why is that important?  Because we are talking about people that grew up in and were defined by Russian cultural and linguistic milieu.  So American idiom becomes useless here and Russian idiom becomes paramount.  And in Russian language, distinctions are very clear: there are &#8220;evrei&#8217; (with strong emphasis on ethnicity) and there are &#8216;iudei&#8217; (with strong emphasis on religion) and they are not one and the same.  Part of the reason for that is that while Americans never knew non-Hebrew Jews, Russians knew plenty through their history.  Heck, there is a legend that Saint Vladimir was courted by Rabbis, Imams and Catholic priest when he was choosing religion for his subjects.  So there was a chance the whole Russia could go &#8216;Iudei&#8217;.  There was also powerful Khazar kaganat the young Russian state had many dealings with (Khazars were Tartars practicing Judaism).  Interestingly, the term &#8216;iudei&#8217; in Russian is not perjorative and may be even used respectfully.</p>
<p>If all that new knowledge, freely shared, doesn&#8217;t make you want to offer me an apology, you take that apology and stick it up your &#8216;tokhes&#8217;, all I can say.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Von Doom</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/11/26/a-night-with-the-paul-klebnikov-fund/comment-page-2/#comment-141159</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Von Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 18:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Gee, CD, you really don’t seem to have a grip on what is published or done on radio or TV here in the USA. Have you been away from the country so long that you’ve forgotten - or simply been brain-washed over time?&quot;

I think you&#039;re miscontruing my point, which was 1) that there is no market for such a book and 2) more importantly any translator would be wondering &quot;gee, I wonder if I&#039;ll wind up dead like the author.&quot; Which is why it hasn&#039;t been translated and probably never will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Gee, CD, you really don’t seem to have a grip on what is published or done on radio or TV here in the USA. Have you been away from the country so long that you’ve forgotten &#8211; or simply been brain-washed over time?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re miscontruing my point, which was 1) that there is no market for such a book and 2) more importantly any translator would be wondering &#8220;gee, I wonder if I&#8217;ll wind up dead like the author.&#8221; Which is why it hasn&#8217;t been translated and probably never will be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kolya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kolya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Speaking of which, this is pretty cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZFKhKUY7M&amp;mode=related&amp;search=&quot;

I never thought I&#039;ll see a moment in which I actually sympathize with Zhirinovsky. Thanks for the link, Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Speaking of which, this is pretty cool: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZFKhKUY7M&amp;mode=related&amp;search=" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAZFKhKUY7M&amp;mode=related&amp;search=</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;ll see a moment in which I actually sympathize with Zhirinovsky. Thanks for the link, Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Shedd</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Shedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 16:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Doom wonders if Sean has ever read Razgovor s varvarom, the book that alleged resulted in Klebnikov’s murder. It would be unpublishable in the US.&lt;/i&gt;

Gee, CD, you really don&#039;t seem to have a grip on what is published or done on radio or TV here in the USA.  Have you been away from the country so long that you&#039;ve forgotten - or simply been brain-washed over time?

Just to start and scratch the surface of how wrong you are - consider for example the television interviews and books written from conversations with Tim McVeigh. 

How about &quot;Will You Die With Me? My Life and the Black Panther Party&quot; by Flores Forbes?

You can&#039;t possibly have forgotten about the US television interviews with Shamil Basayev?

I&#039;m all for offering critical opinions of how things are done here in the US, but let&#039;s stick to reality.  Many interviews and books about and even written by terrorists are published in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Doom wonders if Sean has ever read Razgovor s varvarom, the book that alleged resulted in Klebnikov’s murder. It would be unpublishable in the US.</i></p>
<p>Gee, CD, you really don&#8217;t seem to have a grip on what is published or done on radio or TV here in the USA.  Have you been away from the country so long that you&#8217;ve forgotten &#8211; or simply been brain-washed over time?</p>
<p>Just to start and scratch the surface of how wrong you are &#8211; consider for example the television interviews and books written from conversations with Tim McVeigh. </p>
<p>How about &#8220;Will You Die With Me? My Life and the Black Panther Party&#8221; by Flores Forbes?</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t possibly have forgotten about the US television interviews with Shamil Basayev?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all for offering critical opinions of how things are done here in the US, but let&#8217;s stick to reality.  Many interviews and books about and even written by terrorists are published in the US.</p>
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