So far it’s just a short clip . Hopefully, CNN will make the whole interview available. But this clip contains what everyone is talking about. Namely, Putin’s suggestion that the Bush Administration provoked this war to help John McCain. I think Putin made a big PR blunder. His words will be sent through the American spin cycle so fast that I’m sure by tomorrow pundits will be calling for blood.
Putin on CNN
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I thought Tim knew that.
I didn’t.
As for my comments on it, any politician who enjoys a general approval or electoral victory around 90% in a reasonably free society is presiding over a population which is believing its own bullshit.
“Or do you mean I believed that Saddam might have had WMDs and that it was necessary to find out for sure?”
How about, were you so persuaded that they probably existed that you felt you had to go and kill a lot of people and destabilize a large area for your peace of mind?
Mote, beam. Pot, kettle. Irrational Anglo -Aamericans, good. Irrational Slavs, bad.
Ivanov, yes I saw the video. Here is a link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5idQm8YyJs4
I thought they made a tempest in a teapot out of it. There is no way that I can say that the guy was rude to the girl or the aunt and I have seen such brakes plenty of times. That’s why I was surprised that Putin brought this up. After watching that clip for the whole lenght of time, do you really think that Putin was correct in saying:
“Он ее постоянно перебивал. Как только ему не понравилось, что она говорит, он начал ее перебивать, кашлять, хрипеть, скрипеть.”
If Putin actually saw the clip in English then I can only say that Putin lied shamelessly when he described the presenter’s actions the way he did. (That’s why I doubt he saw actually saw the clip in English).
I seem to recollect it was not a large majority at all.
According to a poll in 2003, 70% of Americans believed Saddam was “personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.”
A CNN poll in 2006, found that 43% still believed that he was personally involved.
A CBS/NY Times poll in 2007 found that “33 percent of all Americans, including 40 percent of Republicans and 27 percent of Democrats, say Saddam Hussein was personally involved.”
How about, were you so persuaded that they probably existed that you felt you had to go and kill a lot of people and destabilize a large area for your peace of mind?
No, I didn’t believe in that either.
According to a poll in 2003, 70% of Americans believed Saddam was “personally involved in the Sept. 11 attacks.”
Fair comment. Dumb fucks.
But I don’t think that a large majority believed he engineered the attacks, I think most people believed it was al-Qaeda, with or without Saddam’s “personal involvement”. As I said, dumb fucks. The way this is presented in the UK is that Americans believe the attack was carried out not by al-Qaeda, but by Saddam Hussein.
Russia was the aggressor in this conflict. The trap was set up by Vladimir Hitler and the Georgians walked right into it. Russia is a sham democracy just like Germany was under Adolf Hitler. The free world needs to stand up to the bullying Russians who dream to return to the old glory days of Soviet Union. Under Putin, Russia will become an evil empire as it already looks like it is today.
Sean.
Is there an option to add one more button to the blog – ?
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stupid WordPress.
It should be:
Do someone really believe Russia can act with there forces against other countries on its own? Do you know how much does Russia spends for it’s army and how much USA do? Do you know how much satellites Russia has and how much USA? The US military bases are all over the world, the Russian military bases – in some of the ex-Soviet republics.
The only thing Russian forces can do is to destroy our mother-earth, but that is what USA forces can also do.
What about the freedom of the media: I’ve read all of the articles (till yesterday) in one of the most popular German magazines (in internet) sueddeutsche.de.
At least all of them are talking about “Russian aggression”, Russian forces in Georgia, … Almost nothing about the Georgian attack on South Osetia’s only city (were fast fully destroyed during this attack), about thousands! of killed peoples, much of them are children, women, old peoples… Almost nothing about the fact that Russian peacekeeping forces had no aircrafts, no heavy artillery, that peacekeeping forces were attacked by Georgians regardless of many international agreements…
Europe has done nothing, USA has done nothing. And only at 8-th August afternoon (in more then 12 hours after Georgian attack) the Russian forces were engaged to save the Russian peacekeeping forces and thousands of peaceful citizens of South Osetia (Georgia)…
All the opinions against Russia were there, but nothing about the Osetia’s opinion, about Russian opinion. No Russian explanation “as is”, only commented.
What should I think about freedom of media? Should I believe into the disinformation by European and US medias?
What about Fox’s Interview – I’ve seen only an Internet version, described by Putin.
Best regards from Russia.
Thanks to all reading it.
Enjoy.
Thanks db. I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry. Such a crude hatch job manipulative and lying editing that seems like a parody. I guess that’s the version that Putin saw…
Did Russians actually believe this bs?
Oh boy. Looks like editing skills at state Russian TV did not improve since they showed the map of Spain, while covering US invasion of Grenada.
It is obvious now that that’s what Putin saw and it serves as yet another proof that when media gets under government control/coercion, the government itself becomes ignorant of reality. Just like Raisa tried to catch Americans at showing her Potemkin Villages during Gorby’s visit to Minneapolis long ago.
I erased my previous comment. After another listen, I think this video was tampered with. Clearly someone did their own voice over. I would like to see another example before I judge the veracity of this translation.
funny video, db
Made exclusively for internal audience (not so many Russian speak English you know). The idea to “translate” coughs – idiotic at its best. As the whole TV industry in Russia. As I said many times before – 5 minutes is maximum time I can look at the screen before I start vomiting (7-8 minutes – for western mAss media stuff).
But what does it change? Go to youtube – and you’ll find even more strong expressions about Foxnews “news” from people who are notsorussianfriendly, don’t speak Russian, never heard what Putin said. But somehow they got same impression as Putin. Why so?
What bs do you mean exactly?
That Georgia attacked Osetia first? Yes they do (though this is my private opinion).
That Foxnews presenter was not happy with what he got? I think yes, they believe.
PS. I didn’t get what was hilarious about US Humvees in Georgia
Hm…Interesting, we are talking about mistakes in Putins speach, but the fact is that thousands of people in South Osetia were killed…Who was interested in that? Why all this started during Olympic Games and before elections in US?
Try here (Explorer only).
Sean and db, what do you mean? Tampered in which way? Those were not the images and audio that Vesti transmitted?
Ivanov, I don’t remember the exact details of the Humvees story, but I found it funny (hilarious) to think of a Pentagon or White House bureaucrat being both angry and embarrassed at the fact that the Russians captured a few brand new US Army Humvees.
The Rutube video is genuine, even though that is hard to believe, you can see the original at Vesti website. It is really worrying that Putin seems to believe the mass media he himself has made tell lies.
In the new ARD interview (Russian version here) he again claims 2.000 civilian deaths in Tskhinvali, with no proof whatsoever (the latest serious figure being 133) and says residential areas in Gori were bombed by the Russians because the Georgians had their flight guidance, fire guidance and radar stations there. Flight leaders in blocks of flats? Thats really serious stuff, isn’t it?
BTW, complete English transcript of the CNN interview now available here.
Are you serious?
Db and Kalle, thanks for providing the other links for Vesti’s report of Fox. Man, what a hatchet job. The original English was bad enough without Vesti’s “special effects.”
Now I can post it in good conscience.
You expect way tooooo much from mAss media, Sean
“(the latest serious figure being 133)”
I have a hard time believing this figure.
However, even if it is true, that’s quite enough.
“Flight leaders in blocks of flats? Thats really serious stuff, isn’t it”
It’s called “missing.”
“Why all this started during Olympic Games and before elections in US?”
That’s sort of obvious, isn’t it?
Really, all the attempts to spin this as malevolent malfeasance on the Russian side have me running to the bathroom, finger up my throat. Imagine, NATO is really all about shelling minorities. Take note, Italy — those Roma will be a problem no more!
“But I don’t think that a large majority believed he engineered the attacks, I think most people believed it was al-Qaeda, with or without Saddam’s “personal involvement”. As I said, dumb fucks. The way this is presented in the UK is that Americans believe the attack was carried out not by al-Qaeda, but by Saddam Hussein.”
I don’t know how it is presented in the UK, but the spin in the US at the time was that Saddam was aiding and abetting Al-Qaida in some never-specified way, and he has WMD, so he might, nay will, pass it on to them, creating a nuclear 9/11. And, you know, all Arabs are the same.
The invasion of Iraq would likely never have gotten the go-ahead without that belief.
I don’t know how it is presented in the UK, but the spin in the US at the time was that Saddam was aiding and abetting Al-Qaida in some never-specified way, and he has WMD, so he might, nay will, pass it on to them, creating a nuclear 9/11. And, you know, all Arabs are the same.
Well that’s not the same as the belief that Saddam Hussein engineered 9/11, is it?
In the UK, it was presented that an outfit like al-Qaeda would not balk at setting off a nuclear device in a western city but, non-state actors being unable to produce their own nuclear device, would have to procure it from a state actor who would be willing to sell. The argument presented was that Saddam Hussein might well be willing to sell such a device under certain circumstances, and having paid attention to the whole process, it was not an argument without merit.
Personally, I always thought that the unsecured nuclear kit lying about following the fall of the USSR was more of a worry, but I was no dismissive of the argument regarding the dangers of al-Qaeda purchasing a nuclear or biological device from Saddam’s Iraq and carrying out a 9/11 style attack.
Chris, there are more than 1,600 civilian deaths in S. Osetia registered officially! With names, date, place, cause of death.
So looting is a minor problem.
“Well that’s not the same as the belief that Saddam Hussein engineered 9/11, is it?”
A lot of people believed this.
I’d like to have a source for the “more than 1,600 civilian deaths in S. Osetia registered officially”, other thans South Ossetian officials saying so.
133 is the figure released by the Russian Prosecutor General. It will probably go up when graves in courtyards are opened, but it will hardly go up to 1,600.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7572635.stm
A lot of people believed this.
Yes. And a lot of people also believe Mossad carried out the attacks.
USA government hijacked, as an US mass media.
very sad about millions of brainwashed. as i know in US there are not enough people WHO STILL CAN USE brain.
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Chris, nice Ramones’ reference! You are truly a Roman of culture!
Joey, Johnny, Dee-Dee and Markie Romani.