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		<title>By: Irishman</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/08/12/the-five-day-war/comment-page-2/#comment-68566</link>
		<dc:creator>Irishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;&#039;As a Russian speaker in Canada with access to live news on both sides of the Atlantic I was appalled by the one-sidedness of Georgia conflict coverage in Western media.&#039;&#039;

I&#039;m getting in the neck from my russkaya zhena cos of this. You&#039;d think ordinary punters were the cause of the &#039;Eng. lang. mASS media biases&#039; In fairness, our own national station here, www.rte.ie ,doesnt seem to be heavily biased and is just reporting stuff it hears.

&#039;&#039;Russia may have (expectedly) won the military campaign but it clearly lost on the the information front.&#039;&#039;
I think a lot of that is down to the fact that Saakashvilli was at least to some extent supported or favoured by the US. The Russians dont help themselves though: Sergei Markov ranted and raved like a lunatic on the BBC the other day, it was actually embarrassing (with no help from the &#039;biased&#039; BBC either) and Putin has a face on him like a slapped arse 24/7. They should let Lavrov (a genuinely cool customer) and the witty Sergei Ivanov do the talking. It shouldnt be forgotten that bombing villages is bad PR too and lets face it, levelling Grozny twice has hardly helped Russia&#039;s cred either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;As a Russian speaker in Canada with access to live news on both sides of the Atlantic I was appalled by the one-sidedness of Georgia conflict coverage in Western media.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting in the neck from my russkaya zhena cos of this. You&#8217;d think ordinary punters were the cause of the &#8216;Eng. lang. mASS media biases&#8217; In fairness, our own national station here, <a href="http://www.rte.ie" rel="nofollow">http://www.rte.ie</a> ,doesnt seem to be heavily biased and is just reporting stuff it hears.</p>
<p>&#8221;Russia may have (expectedly) won the military campaign but it clearly lost on the the information front.&#8221;<br />
I think a lot of that is down to the fact that Saakashvilli was at least to some extent supported or favoured by the US. The Russians dont help themselves though: Sergei Markov ranted and raved like a lunatic on the BBC the other day, it was actually embarrassing (with no help from the &#8216;biased&#8217; BBC either) and Putin has a face on him like a slapped arse 24/7. They should let Lavrov (a genuinely cool customer) and the witty Sergei Ivanov do the talking. It shouldnt be forgotten that bombing villages is bad PR too and lets face it, levelling Grozny twice has hardly helped Russia&#8217;s cred either.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrisius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrisius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is the coolest thing ever.</description>
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		<title>By: poemless</title>
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		<dc:creator>poemless</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For Chrisius Maximus:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vote_Saakashvili.JPG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For Chrisius Maximus:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vote_Saakashvili.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vote_Saakashvili.JPG</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chrisius Maximus</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/08/12/the-five-day-war/comment-page-2/#comment-68371</link>
		<dc:creator>Chrisius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Incidentally I increasingly do not share the view that Saakashivili acted alone.&quot;

But you love conspiracy theories! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Incidentally I increasingly do not share the view that Saakashivili acted alone.&#8221;</p>
<p>But you love conspiracy theories! <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lolz - this is my favorite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0_yznaM5U</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lolz &#8211; this is my favorite:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0_yznaM5U" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rK0_yznaM5U</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, re: rolled up sleeves.  We have a major preoccupation with this in the U.S. for some reason.  Aides to then-FEMA director Michael Brown (\&#039;Brownie\&#039;) blackberried him during the Katrina crisis and told him to roll up his sleeves \&#039;like President Bush\&#039; because it gives the impression of action.  See this photo - http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/images/20050902-2_f1g5125-515h.jpg

Anyway, it is amusing that after 8 years of a \&#039;sleeves rolled up\&#039; president, our media would still be under the impression that this is a signal of competence and action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, re: rolled up sleeves.  We have a major preoccupation with this in the U.S. for some reason.  Aides to then-FEMA director Michael Brown (\&#8217;Brownie\&#8217;) blackberried him during the Katrina crisis and told him to roll up his sleeves \&#8217;like President Bush\&#8217; because it gives the impression of action.  See this photo &#8211; <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/images/20050902-2_f1g5125-515h.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/09/images/20050902-2_f1g5125-515h.jpg</a></p>
<p>Anyway, it is amusing that after 8 years of a \&#8217;sleeves rolled up\&#8217; president, our media would still be under the impression that this is a signal of competence and action.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Harneis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Harneis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesse &quot;btw, lavrov is claiming that Georgian peacekeepers turned on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they were serving side by side. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?&quot;


The cameraman who took the pictures in Tskinvali that CNN used as a background to a story about Gori,was interviewed and he said incidentally in the interview that he was the last one to see the Russian peace keepers in  and that they were down to seven rounds a man and then they were overrun. My impression was that he was an honest Joe in shock from his experiences and pretty upset and not b/sing for propaganda. The main purpose of the interview was to express his outrage with CNN because he risked his life to take pictures in a real fight and they used them for a bogus one.

Incidentally I increasingly do not share the view that Saakashivili acted alone. My reading is that he was told by the elements in the US administration that he could have a go at a quick takeover but if he failed he was on his own. I think there was close, if not actual participation of US, Israeli and Ukrainian special forces. As Dick Marty who revealed the Extraordinary rendition business.,said &quot;time will do its work the dynamics of truth will operate&quot;. But do not expect to find out about it in the MSM too much. Yet again there has been a major drive to bury what happened particlualry at the start of this affair because it is too embarrassing for the NATO/US etc. The mad gambler Saakashvili line being spun is a convenient theory that suits everybody except Russia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesse &#8220;btw, lavrov is claiming that Georgian peacekeepers turned on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they were serving side by side. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?&#8221;</p>
<p>The cameraman who took the pictures in Tskinvali that CNN used as a background to a story about Gori,was interviewed and he said incidentally in the interview that he was the last one to see the Russian peace keepers in  and that they were down to seven rounds a man and then they were overrun. My impression was that he was an honest Joe in shock from his experiences and pretty upset and not b/sing for propaganda. The main purpose of the interview was to express his outrage with CNN because he risked his life to take pictures in a real fight and they used them for a bogus one.</p>
<p>Incidentally I increasingly do not share the view that Saakashivili acted alone. My reading is that he was told by the elements in the US administration that he could have a go at a quick takeover but if he failed he was on his own. I think there was close, if not actual participation of US, Israeli and Ukrainian special forces. As Dick Marty who revealed the Extraordinary rendition business.,said &#8220;time will do its work the dynamics of truth will operate&#8221;. But do not expect to find out about it in the MSM too much. Yet again there has been a major drive to bury what happened particlualry at the start of this affair because it is too embarrassing for the NATO/US etc. The mad gambler Saakashvili line being spun is a convenient theory that suits everybody except Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Chrisius Maximus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chrisius Maximus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The video is easy to find. Google &quot;Saakashvili&quot; and &quot;plane.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The video is easy to find. Google &#8220;Saakashvili&#8221; and &#8220;plane.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jesse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jesse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:33:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is this video of Saak running down the street?  I must have it!


btw, lavrov is claiming that Georgian peacekeepers turned on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they were serving side by side.  Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is this video of Saak running down the street?  I must have it!</p>
<p>btw, lavrov is claiming that Georgian peacekeepers turned on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they were serving side by side.  Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?</p>
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		<title>By: NewYorker</title>
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		<dc:creator>NewYorker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let’s wait and see. 

If in two months or a month (or maybe even less) Israel “suddenly” bombs the crap out of Iran then it means that our government (USA) made a deal with Russians. Basically, “we’ll give you Georgia and you’ll give us Iran” strategic deal. 

If, on the other hand, no one attacks Iran by November/December then it means that Mr Saakashvili made the decision to attack South Ossetia on his own. 

If that’s the case then unfortunately Mr Saakashvili is turned out to be an untrustworthy character with serious issues inside his head. Mikheil would be a complete waste of our taxpayers money and a serious risk to our reputation. In short: He would be a liability. We would need to kick his ass really hard so that no one else in Eastern Europe follows this maniac’s example. Countries like Moldova and Ukraine could be in danger if we won’t punish this guy.

It’s time to shake off cold war era prejudices and embrace Russia, which can (and should be) our ally and partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s wait and see. </p>
<p>If in two months or a month (or maybe even less) Israel “suddenly” bombs the crap out of Iran then it means that our government (USA) made a deal with Russians. Basically, “we’ll give you Georgia and you’ll give us Iran” strategic deal. </p>
<p>If, on the other hand, no one attacks Iran by November/December then it means that Mr Saakashvili made the decision to attack South Ossetia on his own. </p>
<p>If that’s the case then unfortunately Mr Saakashvili is turned out to be an untrustworthy character with serious issues inside his head. Mikheil would be a complete waste of our taxpayers money and a serious risk to our reputation. In short: He would be a liability. We would need to kick his ass really hard so that no one else in Eastern Europe follows this maniac’s example. Countries like Moldova and Ukraine could be in danger if we won’t punish this guy.</p>
<p>It’s time to shake off cold war era prejudices and embrace Russia, which can (and should be) our ally and partner.</p>
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