Comments on: The Rise of the “Civiliki” and Provincial Elite Warfare http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Sat, 17 Jul 2010 19:04:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc By: Pedro Pagan Diaz http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-195600 Pedro Pagan Diaz Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:28:55 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-195600 Hello President Dmitri Anatólievich Medvédev,and vladimir vladímirovich putin, call me Pedro Pagán Diaz, am Spanish, likes me a lot the goose Russian fighter of Tula, "Can I give a couple of goose of Tula?, I do very grateful to you that, I have few Spanish ones animals, but do not have the goose of Tula, "can be?" You can give me a couple?,has a short beak, stout and twisted, the pen is gray,¿can be?. xpagan@terra.es ------------------------------------------------------------ in Spain there are many Russians, is a good guy, I have many friends, I'm an electrician, and Mallorie work building houses, I have sent them grape plants in Spain, very sweet, and Spanish plants, they are very happy with me I am a good person, I have never been to Russia, but I like Russia, I've seen on TV, I love the Tula fighter goose and goose can not have these, can you give me a couple of goose babies Tula, can it be?, I am poor and can not buy, I have only goose of Spain, Russian President Dmitri and Putin and can it be?, I live in Cartagena in southern Spain, it's very hot here, very rains bit, I look forward to a couple of goose Tula, no European country has the goose of Tula, I like to make a gift to Spain, can it be?, I will allude to many Russians in Spain are my friends, some Spanish have married, can you give me a couple of goose babies Tula, can it be?. the Germans and Englishmen are dying to be able to get a pair of goose of Tula and can not get it, I would like to give away to Spain a couple, if not much to ask. Russia live, I Love Russian people, happiness and good relations Spain and Russia. Hello President Dmitri Anatólievich Medvédev,and vladimir vladímirovich putin, call me Pedro Pagán Diaz, am Spanish, likes me a lot the goose Russian fighter of Tula, “Can I give a couple of goose of Tula?, I do very grateful to you that, I have few Spanish ones animals, but do not have the goose of Tula, “can be?” You can give me a couple?,has a short beak, stout and twisted, the pen is gray,¿can be?.
xpagan@terra.es
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in Spain there are many Russians, is a good guy, I have many friends, I’m an electrician, and Mallorie work building houses, I have sent them grape plants in Spain, very sweet, and Spanish plants, they are very happy with me I am a good person, I have never been to Russia, but I like Russia, I’ve seen on TV, I love the Tula fighter goose and goose can not have these, can you give me a couple of goose babies Tula, can it be?, I am poor and can not buy, I have only goose of Spain, Russian President Dmitri and Putin and can it be?, I live in Cartagena in southern Spain, it’s very hot here, very rains bit, I look forward to a couple of goose Tula, no European country has the goose of Tula, I like to make a gift to Spain, can it be?, I will allude to many Russians in Spain are my friends, some Spanish have married, can you give me a couple of goose babies Tula, can it be?.
the Germans and Englishmen are dying to be able to get a pair of goose of Tula and can not get it, I would like to give away to Spain a couple, if not much to ask.
Russia live, I Love Russian people, happiness and good relations Spain and Russia.

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47517 ivanov Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:07:51 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47517 Cyrill. You said: "Who of the people that ran it lately or were at the top cared about interests of the country and not their own pockets?" So I would like to ask one question. :) Do you think that Stalin cared about interests of the country and not his own pocket? Cyrill.
You said: “Who of the people that ran it lately or were at the top cared about interests of the country and not their own pockets?”

So I would like to ask one question. :)
Do you think that Stalin cared about interests of the country and not his own pocket?

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47515 ivanov Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:04:14 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47515 "Careful there, you’re starting to sound just like Pavlovskiy/Leontiev." It's their problem. I'm always sound like me only :) "Before it was all Putin. Now it’s PUTIN-medvedev. In 3 months time it will be Putin-Medvedev. In 12 months just Medvedev." Have you ever thought that this might be an attempt to built some other "system" in Russia - something different from "Tsar"? When "tsar" is doing worlds handshaking tours whilst government - governs streets, garbage, schools etc, Duma - thinking about great future and all other - just living. ;) So - we'll see. It's very short time - 12 moths. “Careful there, you’re starting to sound just like Pavlovskiy/Leontiev.”
It’s their problem. I’m always sound like me only :)

“Before it was all Putin. Now it’s PUTIN-medvedev. In 3 months time it will be Putin-Medvedev. In 12 months just Medvedev.”

Have you ever thought that this might be an attempt to built some other “system” in Russia – something different from “Tsar”? When “tsar” is doing worlds handshaking tours whilst government – governs streets, garbage, schools etc, Duma – thinking about great future and all other – just living. ;)

So – we’ll see. It’s very short time – 12 moths.

]]> By: Cyrill http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47489 Cyrill Tue, 11 Mar 2008 05:52:47 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47489 What interests of Russia? Who of the people that ran it lately or were at the top cared about interests of the country and not their own pockets? Unfortunately rebuilding Konstantinovsky does not much fit with Adam Smith's maxim about tending to personal gardens. What interests of Russia? Who of the people that ran it lately or were at the top cared about interests of the country and not their own pockets? Unfortunately rebuilding Konstantinovsky does not much fit with Adam Smith’s maxim about tending to personal gardens.

]]> By: Tim Newman http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47483 Tim Newman Tue, 11 Mar 2008 02:29:16 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47483 <em>No matter how liberal Medvedev may seem, if anyone thinks he’s going to go against Russia’s short and long term national interests, or more importantly, against the interests of Russia’s elite class, then keep dreaming.</em> I think it quite likely that in looking after what her perceives to be Russia's short term interests, he goes against its long term interests. Putin has managed that with his policy of energy nationalism. No matter how liberal Medvedev may seem, if anyone thinks he’s going to go against Russia’s short and long term national interests, or more importantly, against the interests of Russia’s elite class, then keep dreaming.

I think it quite likely that in looking after what her perceives to be Russia’s short term interests, he goes against its long term interests. Putin has managed that with his policy of energy nationalism.

]]> By: Candide http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47481 Candide Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:43:12 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47481 ivanov, You're mostly right, of course. It's just that I had a very small hope things are not what they seem. Although I still disagree about Putin's intellectual capacities. ivanov,

You’re mostly right, of course. It’s just that I had a very small hope things are not what they seem.

Although I still disagree about Putin’s intellectual capacities.

]]> By: So? http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47473 So? Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:24:13 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47473 Ivanov, Careful there, you're starting to sound just like Pavlovskiy/Leontiev. Before it was all Putin. Now it's PUTIN-medvedev. In 3 months time it will be Putin-Medvedev. In 12 months just Medvedev. Ivanov,

Careful there, you’re starting to sound just like Pavlovskiy/Leontiev. Before it was all Putin. Now it’s PUTIN-medvedev. In 3 months time it will be Putin-Medvedev. In 12 months just Medvedev.

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47469 ivanov Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:35:02 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47469 Correction: "If you listen to what Putin is really saying - you would <b>NOT</b> be scared" Correction:
“If you listen to what Putin is really saying – you would NOT be scared”

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47468 ivanov Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:33:28 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47468 "it’s just as I was afraid: Medvedev gets no respect." Why? What scared you so much? I'm telling you this "terrible truth" for a month or more. If you listen to what Putin is really saying - you would be scared (neither surprised). For the last half year Putin has been talking about specific steps of the government, with specific numbers and date - far beyond his time as president. Why is he so specifically confident? Because he knows who and what will run on "the day after tomorrow". In chess all this combination with Medvedev and Putin is called castle. Figures on the board changed positions but not the power. "workable intellectual content of these policies was created by smart and educated guys like Medvedev" So you think that Putin is less smart that Medvedev? If so - Medvedev must be awarded the title of People's Artist of Russia (Народный артист России). Because in their public speeches (when they have to speak without texts prepared by "smart intellectuals") Medvedev didn't impress me much (not at all actually). He must be very good actor to hide his intellect :) But you are right - people don't have respect for Medvedev. Not because of his face. But because of his actions. He might be a mighty right hand of Putin. But anyway all respect goes to Putin not to his hands or other mighty parts :) PS. So, let's see who will be in far away history in 12 months from now ;) “it’s just as I was afraid: Medvedev gets no respect.”

Why? What scared you so much?

I’m telling you this “terrible truth” for a month or more.
If you listen to what Putin is really saying – you would be scared (neither surprised). For the last half year Putin has been talking about specific steps of the government, with specific numbers and date – far beyond his time as president. Why is he so specifically confident? Because he knows who and what will run on “the day after tomorrow”. In chess all this combination with Medvedev and Putin is called castle. Figures on the board changed positions but not the power.

“workable intellectual content of these policies was created by smart and educated guys like Medvedev”

So you think that Putin is less smart that Medvedev? If so – Medvedev must be awarded the title of People’s Artist of Russia (Народный артист России). Because in their public speeches (when they have to speak without texts prepared by “smart intellectuals”) Medvedev didn’t impress me much (not at all actually). He must be very good actor to hide his intellect :)

But you are right – people don’t have respect for Medvedev. Not because of his face. But because of his actions. He might be a mighty right hand of Putin. But anyway all respect goes to Putin not to his hands or other mighty parts :)

PS. So, let’s see who will be in far away history in 12 months from now ;)

]]> By: Candide http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/comment-page-1/#comment-47455 Candide Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:43:08 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/08/the-rise-of-the-civiliki-and-privincial-elite-warfare/#comment-47455 Well, I made some calls to Russia last weekend and it's just as I was afraid: Medvedev gets no respect. Medvedev is considered a weakling and people put up with him only because Putin vouched for him. Russians bubble that they like Putin because of his 'policies', but in reality they like Putin because he looks tough and menacing. Putin looks like a rat and everyone knows about the fury of 'cornered rat'. Medvedev looks civilized, even a braniac, and Russians have no respect for such looks. They rationalize their feelings by praising Putin's 'policies', which is extremely ironic because any workable intellectual content of these policies was created by smart and educated guys like Medvedev, not by tough looking guys like Putin. Well, I made some calls to Russia last weekend and it’s just as I was afraid: Medvedev gets no respect.

Medvedev is considered a weakling and people put up with him only because Putin vouched for him.

Russians bubble that they like Putin because of his ‘policies’, but in reality they like Putin because he looks tough and menacing. Putin looks like a rat and everyone knows about the fury of ‘cornered rat’. Medvedev looks civilized, even a braniac, and Russians have no respect for such looks. They rationalize their feelings by praising Putin’s ‘policies’, which is extremely ironic because any workable intellectual content of these policies was created by smart and educated guys like Medvedev, not by tough looking guys like Putin.

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