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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-47079</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thing I really can&#039;t understand is why some of you are blindly repeating opposition claims. It doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s better to blindly retell Kremlin.Ru, but hey, Descartes taught that the way of knowledge starts from a doubt.

He was a clever guy, he really was.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thing I really can&#8217;t understand is why some of you are blindly repeating opposition claims. It doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s better to blindly retell Kremlin.Ru, but hey, Descartes taught that the way of knowledge starts from a doubt.</p>
<p>He was a clever guy, he really was.</p>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-47078</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 19:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen: you see, neither I nor people I know were coerced into voting for a particular party/person. That makes my PERSONAL opinion that you speak about some other country. (I&#039;m a graduate student, Moscow region.)

And again, do you think authorities really had to admit Kasyanov to take part in the election after they found 7.5% false bulletins of those gathered by his team? That would be violation of the acting legislature. Why do you believe one side and don&#039;t believe the other when all you have are claims of the sides?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen: you see, neither I nor people I know were coerced into voting for a particular party/person. That makes my PERSONAL opinion that you speak about some other country. (I&#8217;m a graduate student, Moscow region.)</p>
<p>And again, do you think authorities really had to admit Kasyanov to take part in the election after they found 7.5% false bulletins of those gathered by his team? That would be violation of the acting legislature. Why do you believe one side and don&#8217;t believe the other when all you have are claims of the sides?</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-47076</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what happened two days ago in Russia was … f&amp;^% REAL democracy.&quot;

When opposition candidates are systematically excluded from the ballot by those in power, when people are coerced into voting for a particular party - it is NOT democracy.  

Regardless of the fact that Putvedev could have won legitimately - they didn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what happened two days ago in Russia was … f&amp;^% REAL democracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>When opposition candidates are systematically excluded from the ballot by those in power, when people are coerced into voting for a particular party &#8211; it is NOT democracy.  </p>
<p>Regardless of the fact that Putvedev could have won legitimately &#8211; they didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Evgeny</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46987</link>
		<dc:creator>Evgeny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The turnout of registered votes was an unfathomable 99%, a number that was certainly helped by ballot stuffing, repeat voters, and count manipulation.&quot;

Total number of people with a right to vote: 107222016. Number of valid election bulletins: 73731116. What gives voters turnout of 69%

http://www.izbirkom.ru/izbirkom.html

I did not read your article after that point.

But I came to a couple of obvious questions.

I hope you better check facts in future works.

Sincere yours, Evgeny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The turnout of registered votes was an unfathomable 99%, a number that was certainly helped by ballot stuffing, repeat voters, and count manipulation.&#8221;</p>
<p>Total number of people with a right to vote: 107222016. Number of valid election bulletins: 73731116. What gives voters turnout of 69%</p>
<p><a href="http://www.izbirkom.ru/izbirkom.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.izbirkom.ru/izbirkom.html</a></p>
<p>I did not read your article after that point.</p>
<p>But I came to a couple of obvious questions.</p>
<p>I hope you better check facts in future works.</p>
<p>Sincere yours, Evgeny</p>
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		<title>By: robert harneis</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46932</link>
		<dc:creator>robert harneis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 12:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My favorite statesman Charles de Gaulle once said that &quot;all democracies are fragile and that some countries cannot afford the luxury of a fragile regime. What matters is legitimacy&quot;. I think that sums up the situation in Russia today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My favorite statesman Charles de Gaulle once said that &#8220;all democracies are fragile and that some countries cannot afford the luxury of a fragile regime. What matters is legitimacy&#8221;. I think that sums up the situation in Russia today.</p>
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		<title>By: ivanov</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46894</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PARADOX OF DEMOCRACY.

I don&#039;t agree with this one:
&quot;The real kicker, and one that many Western pundits can’t understand, is that they [Russians] don’t care.&quot;

No, we do care.

But you, &quot;western bandits&quot; can&#039;t understand  that what happened two days ago in Russia was ... f&amp;^% REAL democracy.

In the last 60 years this happened just two days ago in Russia. I know - this sounds as paradox (I have mental health certificate - for those concerned).

But it is so. 
In 1947 some clever guys suggested &quot;No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice&quot;. Was that democratic? Did in democratic way? I don&#039;t think so.
Fifty years later some other clever &quot;democRats&quot; copy-pasted that idea into &quot;new Russian&quot; constitution. Was it democratic? Not at all - but who cares as long as it copy-pasted from &quot;most democratic sample&quot;? 

And now people (aka demos) wanted Putin to stay as the leader. 
Is it democracy? 
Yes it is. In pure form.

Western and local pundits: &quot;But we have a paper that SAYS it is not!&quot;.

Putin: &quot;Ok, you think paper is more important? Take Medvedev. The papers says - he is the President!&quot;

As I told many times here - he is much smarter than many of you think :) (legal note - I&#039;m not Putin nor his friend nor his admire neither Iсh sprehen deutch)

So what we saw in Russia was 100% democratic and 100% within boundaries of paper.

Putin will continue to rule. And people vote because he will continue. Medvedev himself couldn&#039;t get more than 5%.

PS. All above (as well as below) - just personal opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PARADOX OF DEMOCRACY.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree with this one:<br />
&#8220;The real kicker, and one that many Western pundits can’t understand, is that they [Russians] don’t care.&#8221;</p>
<p>No, we do care.</p>
<p>But you, &#8220;western bandits&#8221; can&#8217;t understand  that what happened two days ago in Russia was &#8230; f&amp;^% REAL democracy.</p>
<p>In the last 60 years this happened just two days ago in Russia. I know &#8211; this sounds as paradox (I have mental health certificate &#8211; for those concerned).</p>
<p>But it is so.<br />
In 1947 some clever guys suggested &#8220;No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice&#8221;. Was that democratic? Did in democratic way? I don&#8217;t think so.<br />
Fifty years later some other clever &#8220;democRats&#8221; copy-pasted that idea into &#8220;new Russian&#8221; constitution. Was it democratic? Not at all &#8211; but who cares as long as it copy-pasted from &#8220;most democratic sample&#8221;? </p>
<p>And now people (aka demos) wanted Putin to stay as the leader.<br />
Is it democracy?<br />
Yes it is. In pure form.</p>
<p>Western and local pundits: &#8220;But we have a paper that SAYS it is not!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Putin: &#8220;Ok, you think paper is more important? Take Medvedev. The papers says &#8211; he is the President!&#8221;</p>
<p>As I told many times here &#8211; he is much smarter than many of you think <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  (legal note &#8211; I&#8217;m not Putin nor his friend nor his admire neither Iсh sprehen deutch)</p>
<p>So what we saw in Russia was 100% democratic and 100% within boundaries of paper.</p>
<p>Putin will continue to rule. And people vote because he will continue. Medvedev himself couldn&#8217;t get more than 5%.</p>
<p>PS. All above (as well as below) &#8211; just personal opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: ivanov</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46892</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vybory.izbirkom.ru/region/region/izbirkom?action=show&amp;root=1&amp;tvd=100100021960186&amp;vrn=100100021960181&amp;region=0&amp;global=1&amp;sub_region=0&amp;prver=0&amp;pronetvd=null&amp;vibid=100100021960186&amp;type=233&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;дума о Мордовии&lt;/a&gt;

Registered voters 658,087
Valid ballots 618,759
Not valid ballots 3,087

etc.

At least people at Electoral Committee can count numbers. And I&#039;m sure people at Kommersant do that well as well but ... they need a story to sell. They are reporters. But you, Sean? You are - sovetolog, scientists!

OK here is the sentence - 10 years of watching  ОРТ (Общественное Российское Телевидение) :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.vybory.izbirkom.ru/region/region/izbirkom?action=show&amp;root=1&amp;tvd=100100021960186&amp;vrn=100100021960181&amp;region=0&amp;global=1&amp;sub_region=0&amp;prver=0&amp;pronetvd=null&amp;vibid=100100021960186&amp;type=233" rel="nofollow">дума о Мордовии</a></p>
<p>Registered voters 658,087<br />
Valid ballots 618,759<br />
Not valid ballots 3,087</p>
<p>etc.</p>
<p>At least people at Electoral Committee can count numbers. And I&#8217;m sure people at Kommersant do that well as well but &#8230; they need a story to sell. They are reporters. But you, Sean? You are &#8211; sovetolog, scientists!</p>
<p>OK here is the sentence &#8211; 10 years of watching  ОРТ (Общественное Российское Телевидение) <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ivanov</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46891</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;That’s what I get for writing to quickly and exhausted. Forgive? :)&quot;

You&#039;ll get my sentence shortly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That’s what I get for writing to quickly and exhausted. Forgive? <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> &#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;ll get my sentence shortly!</p>
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		<title>By: ivanov</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/03/04/why-putvedev/comment-page-1/#comment-46890</link>
		<dc:creator>ivanov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Moscow Medvedev got just 47% of registered voters - 3,285,980 out of 6,998,056ю
Well - 71.52% of those who actually voted.(instead of complaining or preparing slogans for March of Fools aka марш несогласных)

Zyuganov got 756,936 votes - more than total voters in Mordovia!

Same story in Leningrad.

In Хакасия where Putin was hunting topless he got only 60% (one of the lowest) whilst Zyu - 22% (one of highest).

Abroad
Putvedev - 84%!

Just for the record, nothing personal :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Moscow Medvedev got just 47% of registered voters &#8211; 3,285,980 out of 6,998,056ю<br />
Well &#8211; 71.52% of those who actually voted.(instead of complaining or preparing slogans for March of Fools aka марш несогласных)</p>
<p>Zyuganov got 756,936 votes &#8211; more than total voters in Mordovia!</p>
<p>Same story in Leningrad.</p>
<p>In Хакасия where Putin was hunting topless he got only 60% (one of the lowest) whilst Zyu &#8211; 22% (one of highest).</p>
<p>Abroad<br />
Putvedev &#8211; 84%!</p>
<p>Just for the record, nothing personal <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right. My mistake.  I just checked the Kommersant article where I got the numbers,  I miss read it. It says:

It reads:

&quot;Residents of Mordovia and Ingushetia lost a little of their enthusiasm for voting since the Duma elections, when nearly 100 percent of Ingushetians voted and, in some districts of Mordovia, turnout exceeded 100 percent. About 80 percent of Mordovians voted yesterday and, three hours before voting ended in Ingushetia, over 70 percent of votes had come to the polls.&quot;

That&#039;s what I get for writing to quickly and exhausted. Forgive? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right. My mistake.  I just checked the Kommersant article where I got the numbers,  I miss read it. It says:</p>
<p>It reads:</p>
<p>&#8220;Residents of Mordovia and Ingushetia lost a little of their enthusiasm for voting since the Duma elections, when nearly 100 percent of Ingushetians voted and, in some districts of Mordovia, turnout exceeded 100 percent. About 80 percent of Mordovians voted yesterday and, three hours before voting ended in Ingushetia, over 70 percent of votes had come to the polls.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I get for writing to quickly and exhausted. Forgive? <img src='http://seansrussiablog.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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