Comments on: “A war is going on now and we all must participate in it” http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Fri, 19 Mar 2010 20:20:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: fh http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46312 fh Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:44:49 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46312 www.nashi.su is still alive. No sign of dues that I can see. I imagine the Kremlin guys would not wish Nashi to be self-supporting in any way. Money is how they keep it under control. I would say, that is probably a good thing, though in strictly western terms, it looks bad that the presidency and key parastatals are sponsoring and promoting this kind of rubbish -- the "excess that you have to reign in" that you've referred to. http://www.nashi.su is still alive. No sign of dues that I can see. I imagine the Kremlin guys would not wish Nashi to be self-supporting in any way. Money is how they keep it under control. I would say, that is probably a good thing, though in strictly western terms, it looks bad that the presidency and key parastatals are sponsoring and promoting this kind of rubbish — the “excess that you have to reign in” that you’ve referred to.

]]> By: Sean http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46302 Sean Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:19:10 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46302 <i>Any signs of independent sourcces of finance? Annual membership fees? Other fund-raising? Affiliated youth-oriented businesses?</i> Depends on how you define independent. The only sources of "independent" funds are from Gazprom and I think Rosneft. Besides that I don't even know if Nashi collects dues. I must say, I haven't been able to connect to the Nashi website from home in a long time. I wonder if they do have blocks on western IP addresses. Can someone test it out and let me know? Nashi does have a few clothing stores. Any signs of independent sourcces of finance? Annual membership fees? Other fund-raising? Affiliated youth-oriented businesses?

Depends on how you define independent. The only sources of “independent” funds are from Gazprom and I think Rosneft.

Besides that I don’t even know if Nashi collects dues. I must say, I haven’t been able to connect to the Nashi website from home in a long time. I wonder if they do have blocks on western IP addresses. Can someone test it out and let me know?

Nashi does have a few clothing stores.

]]> By: fh http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46273 fh Sat, 23 Feb 2008 17:13:55 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46273 Utterly off topic, but may I just point out a rather amazing phenomenon picked up by Lyndon: http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2008/02/well-this-looks-interesting.html Utterly off topic, but may I just point out a rather amazing phenomenon picked up by Lyndon:

http://scrapsofmoscow.blogspot.com/2008/02/well-this-looks-interesting.html

]]> By: Chrisius Maximus http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46271 Chrisius Maximus Sat, 23 Feb 2008 12:05:23 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46271 "It’s not just that “a war is going on now” - it never stopped! " Isn't this a slogan of anti-Nazi activists? It's in Splean's song "Fuhrer Fuhrer" if I recall correctly. “It’s not just that “a war is going on now” – it never stopped! ”

Isn’t this a slogan of anti-Nazi activists? It’s in Splean’s song “Fuhrer Fuhrer” if I recall correctly.

]]> By: fh http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46268 fh Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:32:25 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46268 Any signs of independent sourcces of finance? Annual membership fees? Other fund-raising? Affiliated youth-oriented businesses? Any signs of independent sourcces of finance? Annual membership fees? Other fund-raising? Affiliated youth-oriented businesses?

]]> By: Sean http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46266 Sean Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:43:05 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46266 <i>Or possibly a future government? How secure is the leash on these kids? Any idea?</i> Do you mean a Medvedev government? If so I doubt it. You never know when you might need them. As for the leash, it's impossible to say. Even if the leash goes all the way to the top, it doesn't matter. Youth orgs can be an uncontrollable bunch, especially in the provinces. But we don't have much info about what really goes on in Nashi. Their campaigns are hard to judge how active they really are. I don't take signing up to some website and having paltry protests every week or so active. But I think that Nashi is searching for its purpose in a post-Putin Russia. Sure Putin will be a factor, but Medvedev will be its symbol. One solution would be, like the Komsomol did, is to declare themselves a defender of the "Putinist idea", within which Medvedev belongs. Nashi needs an ideology that demonstrates what they are for, an idea that transcends a period of time. Anti-Estonian/Fascist campaigns may get some members hopped up, but it has a short life. Nashi could also just be in a lull. Like I've said before, youths orgs can't sustain extended periods of campaigns. They sap energy and resources. They also produce excess that you have to reign in. I think some of this stuff with Estonia is an example of excess. Or possibly a future government? How secure is the leash on these kids? Any idea?

Do you mean a Medvedev government? If so I doubt it. You never know when you might need them. As for the leash, it’s impossible to say. Even if the leash goes all the way to the top, it doesn’t matter. Youth orgs can be an uncontrollable bunch, especially in the provinces.

But we don’t have much info about what really goes on in Nashi. Their campaigns are hard to judge how active they really are. I don’t take signing up to some website and having paltry protests every week or so active. But I think that Nashi is searching for its purpose in a post-Putin Russia. Sure Putin will be a factor, but Medvedev will be its symbol. One solution would be, like the Komsomol did, is to declare themselves a defender of the “Putinist idea”, within which Medvedev belongs. Nashi needs an ideology that demonstrates what they are for, an idea that transcends a period of time. Anti-Estonian/Fascist campaigns may get some members hopped up, but it has a short life.

Nashi could also just be in a lull. Like I’ve said before, youths orgs can’t sustain extended periods of campaigns. They sap energy and resources. They also produce excess that you have to reign in. I think some of this stuff with Estonia is an example of excess.

]]> By: fh http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46261 fh Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:00:15 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46261 It's a strange counterpoint isn't it, Kolya? A whole country, Estonia, accused of being a last holdout of the Third Reich, on the one hand. And on the other, a rights activist accused of slander against the RF. It's been a rather creepy couple of weeks. President-to-be Medvedev displaying his soft and fluffy side, talking up the rule of law. Meanwhile -- the awful Aleksanyan case, and now potential charges against Ponamarev. It’s a strange counterpoint isn’t it, Kolya? A whole country, Estonia, accused of being a last holdout of the Third Reich, on the one hand. And on the other, a rights activist accused of slander against the RF.

It’s been a rather creepy couple of weeks. President-to-be Medvedev displaying his soft and fluffy side, talking up the rule of law. Meanwhile — the awful Aleksanyan case, and now potential charges against Ponamarev.

]]> By: Kolya http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46259 Kolya Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:54:13 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46259 The Nashistas, besides being a pathetic bunch, are a negative influence. I hope that soon enough they'll become irrelevant--whether that will happen or not, I don't know. And then, of all people, the Russian authorities are investigating Lev Ponamarev. Here is the Robert Amsterdam link on this: http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2008/02/lev_ponomarev_under_investigat.htm The Nashistas, besides being a pathetic bunch, are a negative influence. I hope that soon enough they’ll become irrelevant–whether that will happen or not, I don’t know.

And then, of all people, the Russian authorities are investigating Lev Ponamarev. Here is the Robert Amsterdam link on this:

http://www.robertamsterdam.com/2008/02/lev_ponomarev_under_investigat.htm

]]> By: fh http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46258 fh Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:39:54 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46258 <i>It’s becoming clearer and clearer that Nashi’s greatest enemy might just be themselves.</i> Or possibly a future government? How secure is the leash on these kids? Any idea? It’s becoming clearer and clearer that Nashi’s greatest enemy might just be themselves.

Or possibly a future government? How secure is the leash on these kids? Any idea?

]]> By: CdB http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/comment-page-1/#comment-46255 CdB Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:19:33 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2008/02/21/a-war-is-going-on-now-and-we-all-must-participate-in-it/#comment-46255 The opening line is superb. lol. The opening line is superb. lol.

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