Comments on: MI6 Bitch http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Chrisius Maximus http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51882 Chrisius Maximus Fri, 04 Apr 2008 08:18:05 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51882 "I assume that he was murdered, but I certainly do NOT discount the possibility that his death was accidental (caused either by Litvinenko’s or someone else’s mishandling of the material)." My wild shot-in-the-dark idea is that L was looking for a big score of some sort that would prove his worth and the value of his connections and get him back in the good graces of his boss, who was cutting him off, and didn't really know what he was doing. We have to think like a low-level Mafia flunky with delusions of grandeur here. "This will really impress the Don!" “I assume that he was murdered, but I certainly do NOT discount the possibility that his death was accidental (caused either by Litvinenko’s or someone else’s mishandling of the material).”

My wild shot-in-the-dark idea is that L was looking for a big score of some sort that would prove his worth and the value of his connections and get him back in the good graces of his boss, who was cutting him off, and didn’t really know what he was doing. We have to think like a low-level Mafia flunky with delusions of grandeur here. “This will really impress the Don!”

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51788 ivanov Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:33:44 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51788 2 fh -------------------------------- <b>i</b>vanov is saying three things: 1. There is no official confirmation that polonium was the cause of death. ...... I disagree with the first of these. The medical authorities made an official announcement. That’s enough for me. ---------------------------------- I knew that this was enough for you :) For millions of others it was even "clear from the beginning" that it was Putin who ordered the murder. They "knew" it without any "official report". :) So what? BUT!!! From legal and medical point of view so called "official" version is BS. From Epstein's blog (remember - I haven't heard about him till yesterday!) "10. We don’t know the findings of the Coroner . The British authorities have not released the Coroner’s Report, if it was completed. So there is no official cause of death." If you don't trust us - ask your lawyer :) 2 fh
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ivanov is saying three things:

1. There is no official confirmation that polonium was the cause of death.

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I disagree with the first of these. The medical authorities made an official announcement. That’s enough for me.

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I knew that this was enough for you :)
For millions of others it was even “clear from the beginning” that it was Putin who ordered the murder. They “knew” it without any “official report”. :) So what?

BUT!!! From legal and medical point of view so called “official” version is BS.

From Epstein’s blog (remember – I haven’t heard about him till yesterday!)
“10. We don’t know the findings of the Coroner .
The British authorities have not released the Coroner’s Report, if it was completed. So there is no official cause of death.”

If you don’t trust us – ask your lawyer :)

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51779 ivanov Thu, 03 Apr 2008 21:15:10 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51779 Does the last post mean that we should continue in new thread? Does the last post mean that we should continue in new thread?

]]> By: Litvinenko Murder Saga Continues : Sean’s Russia Blog http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51771 Litvinenko Murder Saga Continues : Sean’s Russia Blog Thu, 03 Apr 2008 20:33:27 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51771 [...] recent flurry in the comments section over the polonium poisoning of Aleksandr Litvinenko has inspired me to revisit the issue. When I [...] [...] recent flurry in the comments section over the polonium poisoning of Aleksandr Litvinenko has inspired me to revisit the issue. When I [...]

]]> By: IRISHMAN http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51762 IRISHMAN Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:58:01 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51762 Sorry db. I knew you were a scientist of some description. ''As far as I understand, the standard polonium test is done (roughly speaking) by evaporating 24 hours worth of piss and putting the residue into an alpha spectrometer.'' well that answers that then. Its down to the Brits actually simply thinking of testing for it. Sorry db. I knew you were a scientist of some description.
”As far as I understand, the standard polonium test is done (roughly speaking) by evaporating 24 hours worth of piss and putting the residue into an alpha spectrometer.”

well that answers that then. Its down to the Brits actually simply thinking of testing for it.

]]> By: Kolya http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51760 Kolya Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:57:22 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51760 FH, I agree with you. The official cause of death is that Litvinenko received a lethal dose of polonium. Whether it was murder or an accident is a different issue. I assume that he was murdered, but I certainly do NOT discount the possibility that his death was accidental (caused either by Litvinenko's or someone else's mishandling of the material). FH, I agree with you. The official cause of death is that Litvinenko received a lethal dose of polonium. Whether it was murder or an accident is a different issue. I assume that he was murdered, but I certainly do NOT discount the possibility that his death was accidental (caused either by Litvinenko’s or someone else’s mishandling of the material).

]]> By: db http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51756 db Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:52:50 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51756 Ger, I'm a theoretical physicist, what do I know about ICP-MS? As far as I understand, the standard polonium test is done (roughly speaking) by evaporating 24 hours worth of piss and putting the residue into an alpha spectrometer. Ger,

I’m a theoretical physicist, what do I know about ICP-MS?

As far as I understand, the standard polonium test is done (roughly speaking) by evaporating 24 hours worth of piss and putting the residue into an alpha spectrometer.

]]> By: IRISHMAN http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51735 IRISHMAN Thu, 03 Apr 2008 19:22:34 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51735 After a quick search I'm struggling to find a paper that says polonium is tested for using ICP-MS, a not uncommon instrument, but I cannot off the top of my head see why it couldnt -there are almost certainly a few of these instruments somewhere in London, though maybe the forensic tox labs dont have one -I suppose its not every day of the week they are looking for the likes of polonium After a quick search I’m struggling to find a paper that says polonium is tested for using ICP-MS, a not uncommon instrument, but I cannot off the top of my head see why it couldnt -there are almost certainly a few of these instruments somewhere in London, though maybe the forensic tox labs dont have one -I suppose its not every day of the week they are looking for the likes of polonium

]]> By: IRISHMAN http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51727 IRISHMAN Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:48:41 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51727 ''Usual tests are for gamma radiation'' I dont think thats even necessary. Assuming some polonium has survived, it would be easily detected itself, not by its radioactive emissions. ”Usual tests are for gamma radiation”

I dont think thats even necessary. Assuming some polonium has survived, it would be easily detected itself, not by its radioactive emissions.

]]> By: IRISHMAN http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/comment-page-2/#comment-51725 IRISHMAN Thu, 03 Apr 2008 18:46:44 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/29/mi6-bitch/#comment-51725 ''Polonium 210 is not detected by generic equipment, so you really need to know beforehand what you are looking for.'' db, wouldnt an Atomic Absorption spectrometer find that easy enough (assuming you had the correct lamp and actually tried to find it) or maybe an ICP-MS? ivanov -I think the issue is whether or not it was looked for, I would think it is easily found if you are actually looking for it. But I know myself conventional tox tests, especially preliminary ones, would probably miss it. ''Negative. I doubt any expert would undertake such risk. It’s much easier and safer not announcing them for whatever reason'' There's no doubt in my mind that the Brits have used an accredited method that has been validated and externally audited, presumably to ISO 17025, which is a strict technical audit. The Brits have called a positive, and I know myself from working in anti-doping that a false positive means likely the end of your career and the tarnishment of the lab. Besides the levels the Brits are alluding to would be quite easily detected by an ICP-MS, no problem at all. Junior chemists work. ”Polonium 210 is not detected by generic equipment, so you really need to know beforehand what you are looking for.”

db, wouldnt an Atomic Absorption spectrometer find that easy enough (assuming you had the correct lamp and actually tried to find it) or maybe an ICP-MS?

ivanov -I think the issue is whether or not it was looked for, I would think it is easily found if you are actually looking for it. But I know myself conventional tox tests, especially preliminary ones, would probably miss it.

”Negative. I doubt any expert would undertake such risk. It’s much easier and safer not announcing them for whatever reason”

There’s no doubt in my mind that the Brits have used an accredited method that has been validated and externally audited, presumably to ISO 17025, which is a strict technical audit. The Brits have called a positive, and I know myself from working in anti-doping that a false positive means likely the end of your career and the tarnishment of the lab. Besides the levels the Brits are alluding to would be quite easily detected by an ICP-MS, no problem at all. Junior chemists work.

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