Comments on: The Putinian Waltz http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9408 ivanov Thu, 04 Oct 2007 18:14:53 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9408 Not really... There were so many of them. Not really…
There were so many of them.

]]> By: Chrisius Maximus http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9382 Chrisius Maximus Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:38:41 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9382 Do you remember the joke about the Pornographio Brezhnev Record? Do you remember the joke about the Pornographio Brezhnev Record?

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9380 ivanov Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:29:16 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9380 By mentioning Brezhnev I wanted to say that there are less jokes about him now than when he was holding anything. And CM is right - Gorbi and Yeltsin were both second grade to Brezhnev. Who was second grade to Stalin. By mentioning Brezhnev I wanted to say that there are less jokes about him now than when he was holding anything.

And CM is right – Gorbi and Yeltsin were both second grade to Brezhnev. Who was second grade to Stalin.

]]> By: Chrisius Maximus http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9378 Chrisius Maximus Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:20:18 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9378 Definitely Brezhnev and Andropov. In my experience Andropov is the most respected Gensec of them all, because of his anticorruption campaign. Of course it helps that he was in power so short a time that one can fantasize about "what would have happened if Andropov hadn't died." Definitely Brezhnev and Andropov. In my experience Andropov is the most respected Gensec of them all, because of his anticorruption campaign.

Of course it helps that he was in power so short a time that one can fantasize about “what would have happened if Andropov hadn’t died.”

]]> By: Tim Newman http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9376 Tim Newman Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:59:36 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9376 Brezhnev and Andropov?!! You're speaking to different Russians than I am. Brezhnev and Andropov?!! You’re speaking to different Russians than I am.

]]> By: Chrisius Maximus http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9369 Chrisius Maximus Thu, 04 Oct 2007 09:23:24 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9369 "How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near the extent they were when they held office?" Brezhnev, Anropov, Stalin.* I think you're probably thinking of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but their popularity crashed while they were STILL IN office. * Well Stalin is complicated, maybe I shouldn't have mentioned him, as his status was more of "divine godman" than merely "popular" -- but definitely Brezhnev and Andropov. Even my passionately anticommunist roommate likes Andropov, and my equally passionately anticommunist boss thinks Brezhnev was far superior to either Gorbachev or Yeltsin, especially his foreign policy. “How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near the extent they were when they held office?”

Brezhnev, Anropov, Stalin.* I think you’re probably thinking of Gorbachev and Yeltsin, but their popularity crashed while they were STILL IN office.

* Well Stalin is complicated, maybe I shouldn’t have mentioned him, as his status was more of “divine godman” than merely “popular” — but definitely Brezhnev and Andropov. Even my passionately anticommunist roommate likes Andropov, and my equally passionately anticommunist boss thinks Brezhnev was far superior to either Gorbachev or Yeltsin, especially his foreign policy.

]]> By: ivanov http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9359 ivanov Thu, 04 Oct 2007 02:45:22 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9359 "I am not sure that Putin being Prime Minister will be healthy for Russia" I wouldn't count on this at all. I'm sure Putin will suggest another "cure"... "How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near" I think Brezhnev is more popular now than when he was "in office". Also keep in mind that "office holders" are admired by people who live in same time with them. And later they are revered as much as "historians" and other experts are saying. PS. I think that public will think same as it's thinking now. About Putin. “I am not sure that Putin being Prime Minister will be healthy for Russia”

I wouldn’t count on this at all.
I’m sure Putin will suggest another “cure”…

“How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near”
I think Brezhnev is more popular now than when he was “in office”.

Also keep in mind that “office holders” are admired by people who live in same time with them. And later they are revered as much as “historians” and other experts are saying.

PS. I think that public will think same as it’s thinking now. About Putin.

]]> By: Tim Newman http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9357 Tim Newman Wed, 03 Oct 2007 22:56:26 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9357 I am not sure that Putin being Prime Minister will be healthy for Russia, as there will almost certainly be a lot of wrangling for power between him and his followers and the new president and his gang. It also removes the grace period of any incoming president, gained by using the tried and tested method of blaming all ills on his predecessor. I'd be interested to see what the Russian public will think of Putin once he's out of power. If he disappears quietly, his legacy will likely remain intact. But Russians have a habit of liking somebody in power simply because they are in power, and once they are out of power their admiration seems to evapourate. How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near the extent they were when they held office? I am not sure that Putin being Prime Minister will be healthy for Russia, as there will almost certainly be a lot of wrangling for power between him and his followers and the new president and his gang. It also removes the grace period of any incoming president, gained by using the tried and tested method of blaming all ills on his predecessor.

I’d be interested to see what the Russian public will think of Putin once he’s out of power. If he disappears quietly, his legacy will likely remain intact. But Russians have a habit of liking somebody in power simply because they are in power, and once they are out of power their admiration seems to evapourate. How many former Soviet and Russian leaders are still revered to anywhere near the extent they were when they held office?

]]> By: Dmitri Minaev http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9331 Dmitri Minaev Tue, 02 Oct 2007 08:57:40 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9331 > I suspect Nashi’s Vasili Yakamenko will eventually fill this position. So he did. See http://txt.newsru.com/russia/02oct2007/yakka.html (in Russian). > I suspect Nashi’s Vasili Yakamenko will eventually fill this position.

So he did. See http://txt.newsru.com/russia/02oct2007/yakka.html (in Russian).

]]> By: Michael Averko http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/comment-page-1/#comment-9330 Michael Averko Tue, 02 Oct 2007 05:38:12 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/2007/10/01/the-putinian-waltz/#comment-9330 Why not? The same group of politicians dominate "the more democratic" (yeah right) Ukraine. Why not?

The same group of politicians dominate “the more democratic” (yeah right) Ukraine.

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