Fifteen masked fell upon a camp of Russian anti-nuclear activists on Saturday near the city of Angarsk. According to a report of the incident on UK Indymedia:
The campers knew about the planned attack and had organized night guards, but they were much too few (1 to 3). The Nazis attacked the sleeping activists with iron rods, knives and air pressure guns. At least two campers became seriously injured: A person suffered a head-fracture, one became both legs broken. All tents were set in fire, several belongings were stolen.
In a short eulogy posted on ZheZhe board ru_redskins, the murdered antifa activist was named Ilya, 26, from the town of Nakhoda.
He protested against the dumping of waste in his native land. For him, Mother Earth meant not simply a pagan seance of young budding Hitlerophiles. He tried to defend it from real contamination. He was more a pagan than the majority of scum who take enthusiastic leaps over bonfires “in praise of Perun” and “to the glory of Rus’.”
He fought for the future races. The sole race we all belong. This is the race of PEOPLE, where only part of which has white skin.
The eulogy went on to suggest that the Nazi attack was connected. “No one believes that after several attempts to disperse the camp that his murder is not connected with “law enforcement” organs.
Few reports have stated the fact that the assailants were Nazi youth. The Associated Press report noted that the environmentalists said that the attackers shouted “nationalists slogans,” yet police and Interior Ministry spokesman Valery Grigakin “rejected suggestions that extremist groups had masterminded the attack.” Otherwise always quick to note the specter of neo-Nazism in Russia, the RFE/Rl also didn’t point the finger at Nazi youth. RIA Novosti also made no mention of who the perpetrators were or their political affiliation. In fact one of the few English language news reports that highlighted the fact that activists said their attackers were skinheads was the Kremlin sponsored Russia Today.
Police say that they’ve detained four of the attackers and are investigating the incident as “hooliganism” and “intentional grievous bodily harm resulting in death.” Grigakin claims that the attackers explained that “They wanted to run amok and get some money out of the tourists and the people at the camp.” Perhaps if the activists were really tourists and not anti-fascist, environmentalist leftists protesting a Russian nuclear plant, the cops would be taking the incident more seriously.
But such is the lot for the often ignored Russian environmental movement. In 1999, environmental activist and former naval commander Grigory Pasko was sentenced to three years imprisonment by a military court in Vladivastok for articles about the waste generated by Russian nuclear submarines. The FSB arrested him in late 1997 for treason and espionage. Pasko spent 20 months in pre-trial detention, 10 of which were in solitary confinement. The charge of “high treason” was later changed to “the abuse of service commission” and released.
Although he was freed, according to Amnesty International, “The treatment of Grigory Pasko is part of an emergent pattern of persecution of environmental activists by the Russian authorities.”
And Pasko isn’t alone. In 2005, renowned Russian environmentalist Sergei Kharitonov sought political asylum in Finland. He became a target of the Russian authorities after he published a report with the Russian environmental NGO Bellona on the safety of the Sosnovyi Bor nuclear plant. Kharitonov worked in Sosnovyi Bor for 27 years until his firing in 2000.
And as recently as 3 July, police arrested a protester in Moscow when after donning a Putin mask and skies he attempted to ski up to Putin and give him a medal for destroying Sochi’s environment. Activists believe that the Sochi’s revamp for the 2012 Winter Olympics will act serve as an excuse to privatize its surrounding nature reserves and accelerate the region’s ecological decline. Activists have promised to fight the Kremlin over Sochi. One wonders if they too will get a taste of neo-Nazis wielding metal pipes and air pressure guns.
Special thanks to Duat X for the ZheZhe and Indymedia links.
Sean.
I doubt that labeling anyone in this matter is a right way.
Just the fact that several of attackers arrested makes me think that they were locals. And I doubt that local village has such strong Nazi unit…
Most likely it was kind of “entertaiment” for locals – to show gorodskim who is better, to have some “fun” and get something valuable (that you can sell for vodka for instance).
This happens very often. This time it got “political” smell only becuase the attacked guys published this “news” in internet.
I would like to remind you the tragis story about journalist and his family traveling in Altai.
I have no doubt they were locals.
But let me understand this. If it was a bunch of locals just looking for some fun and things to peddle for vodka, that somehow makes it okay?
I mean two people had their legs broken, a few are in critical condition in the hospital and another died of a head fracture. These nazis, and there is no doubt in my mind that they were indeed nazis, were out for blood. Not only that, the activists were afraid of such an attack.
Sure not all such attacks in Russia are “political”, but when it concerns antifa youth and Nazi youth, I don’t see how it could not be anything but political. These clashes also happen too often. I would like to remind you of the murder of an antifa activist in Izhbesk. Also resistenz_a has some more coverage of such incidents.
that somehow makes it okay?
Did I say it in my post?
I don’t care who they are – nazi or shpana. As long as they passed the line and decided they can kill (for what ever reasons that exists in their heads) – they must be treated as dangerous animals. And you know how humans treat dangerous anumals – they keep them in cages, right?
This is first.
Second. I doubt you have any hard evidence to say it was nazi or any other politically motivated group. So my point was – let’s stay with facts.
I personally was attacked in several occasions back in CCCP in such situations. Just because we were “gorodskie” vs “derevenskie”. As you guess there were no nashi or nazi at that time.
You should also look at ‘regular” criminal statistics in Russia. You’ll be surprised to see how often such situations happen. The fact that they are not “published” in internet by “antifa” doesn’t mean that “antifa” is primary (major) victim.
So without access to investigation this is not right to give names to this matter.
PS. Do you remember the story about the whole family killed by 16 years old animal in Altai?
Hey, why would Nazis attack anti-nuke types? Nazism is environmentalist.
I suppose maybe they just attacked them because they looked funny. Skinheads aren’t known for their smarts.
Assuming they were Nazis.
I’m somewhat surprised at the unwillingness to believe accounts that the antifascist youth were attacked by skinheads. Certainly there is a high rate of crime, in general. And I wouldn’t be surprised if city/country animosity also played some role in the attacks.
But there is also a trend of targeted violence on the part of skinheads against antifascist/countercultural youth. We know this not only from the antifascists’ own accounts?of which there are many?but also from SOVA statistics. In their report on skinhead and extremist violence, they note the category of ?members of youth subcultures and leftist youth?, amongst whom 121 were beaten and 3 were murdered in 2005. In 2006, 96 were beaten and 1 was murdered. That is, at the least.
(http://xeno.sova-center.ru/6BA2468/6BB4208/884A3C7)
So between the accounts of eye-witnesses and the general trend, Sean’s post doesn’t seem unreasonable. At least not to me, I guess.
Small correction note to Sean: Sochi Winter 2014.
This is from official criminal statistics for Jan – Jun 2007
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murder and attempted murder – 12.093 (200 per month)
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heavy health damage – 24.316 (400 per month)”
http://www.mvd.ru/stats/10000033/10000078/
My point is that if someone will label everything that happens as Nazi’s activity – he can miss their real actions some day.
Buster, I used to be a part, albeit a very small one, of the left wing of the anti-globalization movement in the US. “The people united will never be defeated” and all that. I was a card-carrying member of the Socialist Party USA (all 1000 of us) and marched against the IMF in DC. I’m still sympathetic to those people. But anyway we used to engage in all kinds of imaginary thinking about “fascists” and FBI agents and so on out to get us. So I’m skeptical about these sorts of claims. It might be true, or it might just be the subjective interpretation of events. (“We were attacked; they must be Nazis.”)
Chris, Oh my god. You were in the SPUSA. So was I! Did you know Shaun Richman?
Allow me to clarify. I wasn’t saying that we can now say for certain that it was politically-motivated violence (only that it seems probable) or that there was premeditation, much less a conspiracy.
What I was trying to state was that Sean’s post on breaking news didn’t seem unreasonable, as Ivanov made it out to be. Sean included divergent interpretations of the events in his coverage and leaned in one direction, per his point of view. I figure that that’s what responsible politico-blogging looks like. My two cents was just to back up the possible reasoning behind Sean’s leanings on the event–though I’m sure he could do that just fine himself–since I tend to agree with him on this one.
Anyway, I guess we’ll all just wait and see; hopefully more investigation and news is on the way.
And on the fear of mislabelling fascist violence, lest we fail to recognize it later… OK, but isn’t there some fear of under-reporting, downplaying, minimizing, etc.
There is a nazi/skinhead problem in this part of Russia, but I’m kind of surprised to see them perpetrating such a serious and organised attack in this manner.
I’m more inclined to believe that someone connected with the local nuclear industry paid a bunch of local thugs to undertake the attack – although it’s quite possible these thugs also had strong nationalist sentiments, which whoever paid/incited them was able to play on (hence the Nazi slogans they apparently yelled out during the attack).
The nuclear industry is very powerful in Angarsk (it’s a major employer, and the majority of the population are quite favourably inclined towards the industry, because of the benefits it brings to the local economy).
And, conversely, the environmentalist movement, although stronger in the region than in other parts of Russia because of Baikal, isn’t well respected and does give the impression(probably partially correctly) that it is overly influenced by foreigners. While there probably is quite widespread sympathy for environmental groups when they try to preserve Baikal, that sympathy evaporates quickly when it comes to ‘proper’ industries that actually employ people.
(For info, before someone accuses me of talking rubbish from afar – I used to live in Irkutsk, so know the area quite well, and have also spent some time in Angarsk).
Thanks, Siberian, for your post. I understand and agree with what you are saying.
Could you tell more exactly where all this happened. I mean – this attack didn’t take place in the Park Kulturi i otdiha in Angarsk.
I doubt these thugs were paid by anyone. Vodka and negative attitude towards “ne nashi” are enough for a bunch of jackals to attack anyone. Very often it starts like “They think they are better and smarter than we. Let’s go and show them who is better”.
As to labeling – I confident that the heading of this post is not right. And here is why. Let’s say investigation will find out that this attack had nothing to do with nazi/skinhead/headless groups. So next time when nazi IN FACT attaks and Sean post such “news” – what will be reaction?
Like “Well-well-well…we’ve heard already such stories etc.”
And I’m sure that facts are much more powerful and convincing than “beliefs” and “best guesses”.
Skinheads aren’t known for their smarts.
Perhaps more importantly, Indymedia is not known for its accuracy. Judging by the last time I visited that site, the list of who they consider to be Nazis would run into volumes.
As I understand, the attack took place near the nuclear plant to the south of Angarsk. It’s highlighted on this google map:
http://www.lastingnews.com/maps/angarsk.html
Sorry – was signed into the wrong account – the above post was from me!
Gosh. Check out the story in The Moscow Times. Seems to be a lot of evidence that it was skinheads, unless it was someone else who paid thugs to scream “antifa” abuse.
But 1) no one is claiming that every act of violence is done by skinheads — just the acts of violence when the victims say the perps screamed Nazi slogans at them and 2) there are hundreds and thousands of organized attacks by skinheads and nationalists and Nazi sympathizers every year. Think of the attacks on markets, including the bomb attack.
Given that context and the reports of the victims, it’s not some weird Russia-bashing to think that a duck is a duck.
Sean,
This was a long while ago, at the end of the 90s, and I wasn’t involved very long. I did meet McReynolds though. I doubt he remembers me.
Sorry – was signed into the wrong account – the above post was from me!
What?!? Now I’m totally confused. You’re into wooden cars?
And I thought Russian politics was esoteric.
The Moscow Times article that mab refers to does strongly infer that it was Neo-Nazis, without actually coming right out and saying it was Neo-Nazis that beat and killed these Antifa environmentalists. One quote:
“In between the blows, they shouted, ‘Anti-Antifa!’ and, ‘Do you like being in Antifa now?’” Maxim said.
Several of the activists are also members of a vocal anti-fascist group called Antifa, and this probably motivated Saturday’s attack, Maxim said. The activists represented three environmental organizations, including Defending the Rainbow and Autonomous Action.
The whole business is despicable and cowardly, of course .. Neo-Nazi’s or not. I’m a bit surprised (maybe I shouldn’t be) that ivanov would so quickly wish to dispel the idea that it was skinheads/Neo-Nazi’s. Are you doubting their existence in Russia, or doubting their ability to beat environmentalists without being caught?
Or is it just because no one saw them do it, you doubt the veracity of the reports?
You know, I didn’t actually see O.J. kill anybody, but I’m pretty sure he did it. I don’t find it at all unbelievable that some local skinheads decided to beat some cream-puff environmentalists.
Perhaps the media is too quick to label groups in such attacks, but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Denying the possibility seems like burying your head in the sand.
“In between the blows, they shouted, ‘Anti-Antifa!’ and, ‘Do you like being in Antifa now?’” Maxim said.
Several of the activists are also members of a vocal anti-fascist group called Antifa, and this probably motivated Saturday’s attack, Maxim said. The activists represented three environmental organizations, including Defending the Rainbow and Autonomous Action.
I’m a bit surprised (maybe I shouldn’t be) that ivanov would so quickly wish to dispel the idea that it was skinheads/Neo-Nazi’s. Are you doubting their existence in Russia, or doubting their ability to beat environmentalists without being caught?
I wonder if the problem is my English or your logic?
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Ok, one more time.
Sean said “Nazi attacks”, right?
I’m saying that I don’t KNOW, Sean doesn’t KNOW, you don’t KNOW what happened there. Key word – KNOW!!!
So what is the point to label the matter if you don’t know it for sure? And what will happened with credibility of Sean’s comments if we found later that it was Nazi that attacked?
It doesn’t matter whether someone lies, guess or makes error (no matter what his intentions were – good or bad). Simply next time it will be harder to believe him, right?
Now back to attack.
This is from General Prosecutor’s office web site (no English)
http://www.genproc.gov.ru/ru/news/index.shtml?id=6416
“23.07.2007
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It says that it was Autonomous Action camp. And they call this group anarchy organization.
So taking into account words from Maxim, Siberian and investigator my version seems to be more plausible.
PS. If someone missed – I (aka ivanov) said that I don’t care who they are – Nazi, NASHI, vashi, panks or skinheads. If they think they can kill – they MUST be kept in cages. Period. Only special government bodies – aka army, KGB etc. – have the right to do this (when ordered).
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I think it is your logic.
The discussion is regarding what is being reported.
You wish to say, we don’t KNOW anything about whether it is Neo-Nazi’s, etc.
Well – following that train of thought – for that matter, we didn’t witness the attack and we can just dismiss the whole thing as a publicitiy stunt that never happened.
We don’t KNOW that anything happened.
We don’t KNOW if someone was killed – I certainly didn’t do the autopsy. Did you? I didn’t think so.
If we accept the reports, then it was likely skinheads or neonazis – unless we wish to subscribe to a selective reading of the news reports.
So now that I’ve walked you through the logic on this, I am back back to my initial question (which you really just seem to be avoiding with some sort of pseudo-logical contrarian bullshit):
Why would you wish to dismiss the possibility of it being skinheads or Neo-Nazi’s, despite the reports? You seem to be accepting the reports of the beating and murder, so why cherry-pick the details to eliminate the possibility of skinhead involvement? Simply because the Anti-fa says it was skinheads?
Why would you wish to dismiss the possibility of it being skinheads or Neo-Nazi’s, despite the reports? You seem to be accepting the reports of the beating and murder, so why cherry-pick the details to eliminate the possibility of skinhead involvement? Simply because the Anti-fa says it was skinheads?
Posted by W. Shedd
I’m not dismissing ANY possibilities. At all.
I’m just reading the headline of the post that STATES “Nazi did it”. And I think (this is my personal opinion only) that it’s not the best idea at this stage of the events to say this for sure.
As you could see – I read all variety of sources. Yes, I tend to dismiss much of what “independent liberal” media is saying. This doesn’t mean that I consider words of General Prosecution office as pure facts and truth.
PS. I don’t doubt that Angarsk exists
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What?!? Now I’m totally confused. You’re into wooden cars?
Not really – I’m playing around with a few ideas for making a bit of money off the internet. Part of my master plan to one day quit the day job…
(Sadly, the wooden cars idea netted me the grand total of about 7 cents from adsense).
Ivanov’s explanation makes more sense to me. You have some idealistic, prostelyzing, middle to upper class kids show up in a rural area, treat the lower class locals as inferior, agitate for some issue that will hurt the income of those locals, and then wonder why they got a beat down. Obviously, no matter how naïve these kids were, they didn’t deserve to get beaten up for sticking up for a cause near and dear to them, but that is not the way the world works. Once you get outside the US and the Western world, protest can actually be dangerous.
Just because the kids were antifa, doesn’t mean that their attackers were automatically nazis. If some gays get beat up, it doesn’t automatically means the attackers were nazis, they could be muslims, rednecks, frat boys, etc.
I have had good friends who were involved in that whole vegan/anti-capitalist/anarchist thing. It was always my impression that were looking for ways to be oppressed and abused by the “fascists”, fascists being anyone who looked at them wrong way. It made them feel special to get yelled at by frat boys or beat up by cops.
Anyone who knows anything about modern Russia knows this was a political attack. To deny that is voluntary stupidity. Whether it was just an independent group of fascist youth or thugs hired by the power plant or government is anyone’s guess. But if say a lot of little kids in a neighborhood start getting raped, and it just so happens there is a guy living there who has a website about how great raping little kids is, than my bet is on the guy who runs irapelittlekids.org. There are tons of Livejournals and websites that gloat every time a foreigner or anti fascist is killed. Sure, nobody is stupid enough to take credit for it online (anymore) but if you read Russian check out http://white-patriot.livejournal.com/ or http://users.livejournal.com/_skin_head_/81920.html?page=2#comments
And these are not just isolated inbred dumbfucks. They are well organized inbred dumbfucks. Don’t think they wouldn’t jump at the chance to burn down a logger full of environmentalists and antifascists. Believing otherwise is dangerous.
Anyone who knows anything about modern Russia knows this was a political attack
Hi, Daut.
Could you give a little more info of your way of knowing Russia (whether modern or old)?
Livejournal is not counted.
Or maybe you have experience in criminal investigation and law?
How much from these
“criminal statistics for Jan – Jun 2007
“???????? ? ????????? ?? ????????
murder and attempted murder – 12.093 (200 per month)
?????????? ?????????? ??????? ????? ????????
heavy health damage – 24.316 (400 per month)”
was conducted by nazi?
You said “Believing otherwise is dangerous”
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By my opinion believing is always dangerous. If not stupid. No matter of direction
Nazis or otherwise, this stuff is scary. I told Sean this story that happened to me before:
I was friends with a Canadian guy who lived in a flat at Vernadskogo who was born of Sudanese parents. he was a nice fella, but like so many engish-teacher types in Moscow he never shut up about Lenin, Stalin, the usual stuff. Anyway, I’m diverting; one saturday in april(2002) I decided to go and watch Spartak who were playing TsSKA in a derby match at Luzhniki. The Canadian bloke wnated to go but the fact was it was Hitlers birthday that weekend and its party time for scumbags throughout Europe and as I was leaving his flat I advised him to stay in -he was dark skinned, but totally Canadian in everyway – I’d say he didnt even know where Darfur was. I got on the red line at Vernadskogo to go to Sportivnaya for Luzhniki with my Spartak jersey underneath my jacket, and when I saw the train full of red jerseys, i took off my jacket. Moscow fans know its a bad idea parading around in jerseys -it invites grief from drunks and scumbags, but I was among home fans so it was ok. I arrived at Sportivnaya, and the sight shocked me. The platform was FULL of skinheads, hundreds of them, shouting and chanting really aggresively and not a cop in sight. I walked along through this mass and onto the escalator – a big, deep one, the bloody red line! I was surrounded by chanting thugs and I thought to myself if they knew I was foreign, I would be beaten viciously there and then, and maybe killed. The escalator seemed to take forever and I thought i was going to piss my pants with fear. No joke.
Eventually we reached the top and I was never happier to see militsia and OMON waiting with Kalashnikovs! Hundreds of soldiers and cops lined the route to the stadium and I was so delighted to see them! Sadly, Spartak were thumped 3-0 and so began the end of their era of dominance. I’ve been to Dinamo and across the road at TsSKA, and saw lots of rough shit at matches in Moscow, but that was the only time in all my stays in Russia I was ever really frightened. This skinhead stuff is scary shit.
Mr Ivanov — speaking for myself, I know a fair bit about this. I did a report on hate crimes and talked to human rights folks who track this, prosecutors, cops, African students, state agency folks, and read about a thousand pages of reports, both governmental and NGO. The problem is not so much the numbers (although the estimated 70000 skinheads and nationalists and neo-Nazis is not nothing), but their increasing organization and the fact that they are NOT prosecuted. Some prosecutors try, but the law requires them to prove that the DOMINANT motivation in the crime was racial/national/religious hatred, and it’s hard to prove that. Kids know the law and when the cops pull them in, they say “Oh, he stole my girlfriend so I hit him.” It’s easier for the cops that way, so they ignore the obvious. The vast majority of the crimes are written off as hooliganism or personal enmity, so quoting that bit in your posting doesn’t mean squat.
I frankly do not find it terribly strange that in a time of economic trouble (in most smaller cities) and general social confusion, nationalism and skinheads appear. That happens everywhere; it’s not something specific to Russia. But the authorities have to crack down on them. What’s dangerous is when they are not prosecuted and when the general background is so anti-West and anti-foreign — and when you’ve got essentially state-sponsored xenophobia in the Nashisti. The danger is that you reach and cross the tipping point.
As for me — I live near Dinamo and our local store is just far enough away from the stadium that it still can sell booze during the matches. So sometimes there are nearly a hundred beer-swilling teenage boys in the courtyard. When that happens, the ladies in the store tell me to hurry home, because the Irishman is right — those drunken kids with raging hormones would beat the crap out of me if they knew I were an American. This is all something new. Racism virtually did not exist in the USSR, and this kind of militant, violent xenophobia is scary.
If you don’t believe me, read some of those reports. The reports produced by Lukin’s office are pretty grim.
I have never understood football fans…
I have never said nationalism (and other radical groups) didn’t exist.
I just said – be careful with labels.
Actual story about labels from Soviet past.
For those who is not familiar with Soviet reality – few notes.
It was (and it is) tradition to open a bottle of Shampanskoe at 12 o’clock. And it was difficult to buy it before New Year (as well as any other time). And there were four kinds of this sparkling wines – dry, semi-dry, semi-sweet and sweet. Semi-sweet was considered to be the best – so everyone was trying to buy semi-sweet. And as such – directors of shops were trying to get it from factory (zavod shampanskih vin).
Weel – now the story. Director of zavod got the phone call from the Head of city retail trade (as all retail “business” run by government, remember!)
Head: “Either your zavod will produce XXX number of Shampanskoe by the end of December or you’ll be fired. Understand?”
Director: “Understand. What else?”
Head: “Oh! Yes! One more question – what kinds of shampanskoe will be produced? Would be nice to get more semi-sweet, remember?”
Director “You’ll get shampanskoe of same kind as printed on labels we have in hands!!!” … “Idiot” (added after this talk was over) .
In Russian the phrase was “????? ????? ?????? – ????? ????? ? ??????????!” ?????? = ???????? (sticker).
So same shit could be very different – depending on sticker
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