Comments on: Surkov’s "Sovereign" and "Managed" Democracy http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/06/30/surkovs-sovereign-and-managed-democracy/ Russia Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:00:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Michael Averko http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/06/30/surkovs-sovereign-and-managed-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-251 Michael Averko Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:45:00 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=145#comment-251 Big Black Bear<br/><br/>Beware of those court appointed Russia friendlys who periodically mainstream for the benefit of Western mass media elites.<br/><br/>In the 2005 archived Media section of http://english.intelligent.ru there's an article about Stephen Cohen. Regretfully, the points raised in that piece pertain to at least one JRL promoted pundit mentioned in the first sentence of paragraph 3.<br/><br/>W. Shedd:<br/><br/>What you say about Roy changing comes as no surprise to me. He certainly flip flopped in his liking to disliking of my commentary. He did so in a manner which included some very hack like Soviet editing that totally misrepresented a conversation.<br/><br/>I reference the Letters section of http://english.intelligent.ru<br/><br/>For me, media shouldn't run from sound critique. Something very much lacking.<br/><br/>For more, feel free to contact me at mikeaverko@msn.com<br/><br/>I don't hide from sound critique Big Black Bear

Beware of those court appointed Russia friendlys who periodically mainstream for the benefit of Western mass media elites.

In the 2005 archived Media section of http://english.intelligent.ru there’s an article about Stephen Cohen. Regretfully, the points raised in that piece pertain to at least one JRL promoted pundit mentioned in the first sentence of paragraph 3.

W. Shedd:

What you say about Roy changing comes as no surprise to me. He certainly flip flopped in his liking to disliking of my commentary. He did so in a manner which included some very hack like Soviet editing that totally misrepresented a conversation.

I reference the Letters section of http://english.intelligent.ru

For me, media shouldn’t run from sound critique. Something very much lacking.

For more, feel free to contact me at mikeaverko@msn.com

I don’t hide from sound critique

]]> By: Big Black Bear http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/06/30/surkovs-sovereign-and-managed-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-250 Big Black Bear Sat, 01 Jul 2006 15:04:00 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=145#comment-250 "Sergei Roy strikes me as a political opportunist in such discussions."<br/><br/>Really? This makes everything clear. I was looking for counterarguments to throw at Roy, but I suppose there is no need.<br/><br/>"His points of view certainly seemed to have changed considerably over the past 15 years."<br/><br/>Whose haven't? Oh, yeah, Dick's haven't.<br/><br/>Do Russians too often tie "democracy" to concepts of privatization economic policies in the 1990s? There weren't any concepts of policies, there were actual schemes carried out. As for the "damaged goods through the guilt of association" -- that is quite correct, but there is nothing to indicate that the interests of the "Russian people" are at heart of the preachers. The messenger is "damaged goods" too. Repair that image. “Sergei Roy strikes me as a political opportunist in such discussions.”

Really? This makes everything clear. I was looking for counterarguments to throw at Roy, but I suppose there is no need.

“His points of view certainly seemed to have changed considerably over the past 15 years.”

Whose haven’t? Oh, yeah, Dick’s haven’t.

Do Russians too often tie “democracy” to concepts of privatization economic policies in the 1990s? There weren’t any concepts of policies, there were actual schemes carried out. As for the “damaged goods through the guilt of association” — that is quite correct, but there is nothing to indicate that the interests of the “Russian people” are at heart of the preachers. The messenger is “damaged goods” too. Repair that image.

]]> By: W. Shedd http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/06/30/surkovs-sovereign-and-managed-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-248 W. Shedd Sat, 01 Jul 2006 03:25:00 +0000 http://seansrussiablog.org/?p=145#comment-248 If there were a "Putin B" than Russia would be too much like, what Roy calls, a "mismanaged pseudo-democracies". Russians seem to have very little tolerance for political debate and discussion or coalition governments, such as in Ukraine. And most Russians seem perfectly content with government that is from the top down. The simple fact that Putin was appointed as successor to Yeltsin, and Putin will appoint his successor - says something about the state of Russian ideas of democracy.<br/><br/>Sergei Roy strikes me as a political opportunist in such discussions. His points of view certainly seemed to have changed considerably over the past 15 years. <br/><br/>The problem as I see it is ... Russians too often are tying "democracy" to concepts of privatization economic policies in the 1990s. The word is damaged goods through the guilt of association. If there were a “Putin B” than Russia would be too much like, what Roy calls, a “mismanaged pseudo-democracies”. Russians seem to have very little tolerance for political debate and discussion or coalition governments, such as in Ukraine. And most Russians seem perfectly content with government that is from the top down. The simple fact that Putin was appointed as successor to Yeltsin, and Putin will appoint his successor – says something about the state of Russian ideas of democracy.

Sergei Roy strikes me as a political opportunist in such discussions. His points of view certainly seemed to have changed considerably over the past 15 years.

The problem as I see it is … Russians too often are tying “democracy” to concepts of privatization economic policies in the 1990s. The word is damaged goods through the guilt of association.

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