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		<title>By: Myrthe</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/02/02/dedovshchina-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Mar 2006 18:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Sean!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sean!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Guillory</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/02/02/dedovshchina-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Guillory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such voices are hard to come by.  I don&#039;t know the reasons why.  But you can get a sense of them from the report Human Rights Watch did on dedovshchina.  I included some of it on an ealier post on &lt;a HREF=&quot;http://seansrusskiiblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/soldier-slaves.html&quot; REL=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dedovshchina&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such voices are hard to come by.  I don&#8217;t know the reasons why.  But you can get a sense of them from the report Human Rights Watch did on dedovshchina.  I included some of it on an ealier post on <a HREF="http://seansrusskiiblog.blogspot.com/2005/10/soldier-slaves.html" REL="nofollow">dedovshchina</a></p>
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		<title>By: Myrthe</title>
		<link>http://seansrussiablog.org/2006/02/02/dedovshchina-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-109</link>
		<dc:creator>Myrthe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Feb 2006 16:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came across an online journal that has devoted an entire issue on hazing. You can find it here: http://www.pipss.org/sommaire190.html.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;By the way, something I miss in all the discussions about hazing is the point of view of the perpetrators. I am getting really curious about how they feel about torturing other people; whether they have any remorse, or how they look back on the dedovshchina after leaving the army; whether, after leaving the army, they change their opinions on the dedovshchina in general and on their own actions in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across an online journal that has devoted an entire issue on hazing. You can find it here: <a href="http://www.pipss.org/sommaire190.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.pipss.org/sommaire190.html</a>.</p>
<p>By the way, something I miss in all the discussions about hazing is the point of view of the perpetrators. I am getting really curious about how they feel about torturing other people; whether they have any remorse, or how they look back on the dedovshchina after leaving the army; whether, after leaving the army, they change their opinions on the dedovshchina in general and on their own actions in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: W. Shedd</title>
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		<dc:creator>W. Shedd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:09:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great posting.  I only barely touched on this incident myself and referred to another blog (Neeka&#039;s Backlog) for text and photos.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I worry that too many Russians might feel that, as Americans, we don&#039;t have a right to criticize incidents like this in the Russian military. It certainly leads to some very defensive remarks. I&#039;ve seen some comments from Russians claiming that suicide rates in the Russian Military are no worse than those in the US Military, for example. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;However, I think dedovshchina undermines the credibility and fighting ability of the Russian military. I also think it is important to US strategic interests that Russia maintains a credible and capable army. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is amazing to me that the Russian government and army have been so unwilling to deal with these incidents. It seems to me easy enough to correct, both in the short-term and long-term.  Court martials for guilty parties, and weeding out of NCOs and officers that allow such behavior to continue.  Long-term the Russian military needs to perhaps become smaller, pay better, and move towards a volunteer force.  Eventually if you restore pride and honor back to the Army, individuals can see it as a realistic career choice, and you can encourage a larger army.  But as it stands now, the Russian army is run like the Louisana prison in &quot;Cool Hand Luke&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great posting.  I only barely touched on this incident myself and referred to another blog (Neeka&#8217;s Backlog) for text and photos.</p>
<p>I worry that too many Russians might feel that, as Americans, we don&#8217;t have a right to criticize incidents like this in the Russian military. It certainly leads to some very defensive remarks. I&#8217;ve seen some comments from Russians claiming that suicide rates in the Russian Military are no worse than those in the US Military, for example. </p>
<p>However, I think dedovshchina undermines the credibility and fighting ability of the Russian military. I also think it is important to US strategic interests that Russia maintains a credible and capable army. </p>
<p>It is amazing to me that the Russian government and army have been so unwilling to deal with these incidents. It seems to me easy enough to correct, both in the short-term and long-term.  Court martials for guilty parties, and weeding out of NCOs and officers that allow such behavior to continue.  Long-term the Russian military needs to perhaps become smaller, pay better, and move towards a volunteer force.  Eventually if you restore pride and honor back to the Army, individuals can see it as a realistic career choice, and you can encourage a larger army.  But as it stands now, the Russian army is run like the Louisana prison in &#8220;Cool Hand Luke&#8221;.</p>
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